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<P>Hello,</P>
<P>this is the Flemish sign for Prague : <IMG alt=Praag src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-nl/dict/sl/Praag.png" align=middle border=0></P>
<P>Greetings Kathleen ;)<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Sandy Fleming" <sandy@FLEIMIN.DEMON.CO.UK>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
<DIV></DIV>>To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [sw-l] why the sign 'Czech'?
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:36:02 -0000
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Ahoj, Martin! :)
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Could you tell me, do you use the same sign for "Czech" (for example a
<DIV></DIV>>person who is Czech) and "The Czech Republic"?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I'm interested in using these signs in my British Sign Language and would
<DIV></DIV>>like to know if it's OK to use that sign for "The Czech Republic" too.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I often talk about the time I spent in Prague and would like to have signs
<DIV></DIV>>for these things! What's the sign for "Prague"?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Sandy
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> > From: owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
<DIV></DIV>> > [mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu]On Behalf Of Martin Novak
<DIV></DIV>> > Sent: 25 January 2005 10:06
<DIV></DIV>> > To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
<DIV></DIV>> > Subject: RE: [sw-l] why the sign 'Czech'?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Sorry, I cannot understand what do you want ?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > You want to explain ethymologhy of CZECH sign ?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Im not sure, I think it is from sign CZECHOSLOVAKIA and CZECHOSLOVAKIA is
<DIV></DIV>> > from sign "spa". Every people know that czech have famous spa for example
<DIV></DIV>> > Carlsbad....
<DIV></DIV>> > Interest is that difference between sign Czechoslovakia and sign Czech is
<DIV></DIV>> > big. Iconic characterization of sign Czechoslovakia is "drinking
<DIV></DIV>> > of water"
<DIV></DIV>> > (spa), but some people used this sign as somebody have heave (bad use of
<DIV></DIV>> > sign). So czech people changed the orientation of hand and
<DIV></DIV>> > fingers and make
<DIV></DIV>> > new sing CZECH.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Correct description of czech sign is:
<DIV></DIV>> > Description of first sign CZECH
<DIV></DIV>> > Hand have form of international finger alphabet B. Opisthenar of
<DIV></DIV>> > right hand
<DIV></DIV>> > is to the right. Direction of finger is to body.
<DIV></DIV>> > The end of fingers (without thumb) touch by right hand left side of chin.
<DIV></DIV>> > Fingers without thumb move to the right side (hand not move), go
<DIV></DIV>> > along chin
<DIV></DIV>> > to the right and stop on the right side of chin. Movement is
<DIV></DIV>> > repeated twice
<DIV></DIV>> > (somebody it make by tree times movement).
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Martin (sorry, if my english isnt well)
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:07:37 -0000, Shane Gilchrist Ó hEorpa wrote
<DIV></DIV>> > > Martin,
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > I wonder why u Czechs use that sign?
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Can you explain how it was started?
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > :-)
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Shane
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> > > From: owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
<DIV></DIV>> > > [mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] On Behalf Of
<DIV></DIV>> > Lucyna Dlugolecka
<DIV></DIV>> > > Sent: 24 January 2005 20:31
<DIV></DIV>> > > To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
<DIV></DIV>> > > Subject: Re: [sw-l] CZECH...First 2 signs...
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Let's take the first sign for CZECH...You say it is near the
<DIV></DIV>> > > > beard...What is the handshape that is near the chin? Please
<DIV></DIV>> > describe the
<DIV></DIV>> > > > direction of the movement...We wait for your answer!
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Val ;-)
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Let me help :-)
<DIV></DIV>> > > The sign is like this: the "B"-shaped hand rubs the chin in one
<DIV></DIV>> > > direction
<DIV></DIV>> > > (right hand - right direction); the movement is rapid, short
<DIV></DIV>> > and repeated.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Lucy
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
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