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<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Charles and all,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am
not quite sure - do I understand your question? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
frustration about not being able to translate SW texts if I do no write
Mundbilder is a real problem. I use SW as a tool to support deaf children in
their efforts to learn German. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If we
are not able to understand the meaning of a written document - it is not useful.
If we are able to understand the terms that a used, if we learn how to express
the same idea in German we experience
satisfaction. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So it
is not a question - not at all !!!!!!! of speed - but a question of
understanding. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>According to your other question - if I understand that right - well all
I can tell is that in German Sign Language the mouthmovements are a very
important part. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(Well
looking at the videos for Prag - there are other SL as well ... smile ... )
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Stefan
;-)) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=500173116-27012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>[Stefan
Wöhrmann] </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=500173116-27012005> </SPAN><BR><B>Von:</B>
owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu]<B>Im Auftrag von </B>Charles
Butler<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 26. Januar 2005 17:11<BR><B>An:</B>
sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: AW: [sw-l] SignSpelling
Rules and Guidelines<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV>Query for you Stefan,</DIV>
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<DIV>On the issue of speed of reading, I can understand your student's
frustration. On the issue of speed of writing, in comparison to spoken
languages, do you have a comparison in terms of "fresh utterance" as to how
quickly a student can take a sign, and quickly write it, if one must include
mouth movements at all stages. Posture, facial expression, and speed are
all important, to some degree, I'm just thinking in terms of "long-term
writing process" how multiple heads attached to a single movement
actually speeds up the process of "writing" as opposed to "reading."
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Over centuries, readers of spoken utterances reduced to writing learned
to write the bare minimum necessary for reproduction of speech by
orthography. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am curious if German Sign Language requires mouth movements, or if,
like <BR>Cued Speech as opposed to ASL, they are a part of a Total
Communication system as opposed to a language not based on voice, but
hands.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A query.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Charles Butler</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Stefan Wohrmann
<stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=968584315-26012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Valerie, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=968584315-26012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=968584315-26012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Here is my spelling for the performance in the video - Sign for Prag
- </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=968584315-26012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Without the mouth movements me and my students would not have any
chance to translate the sign - this caused in the past a lot of frustration
on both sides ( smile) - </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=968584315-26012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Since I add the Mundbilder - it is very often no problem as long as
these proper names are introduced ... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=968584315-26012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Stefan ;-) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=968584315-26012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B>
owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu]<B>Im Auftrag von </B>Valerie
Sutton<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, 26. Januar 2005 01:19<BR><B>An:</B>
sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><B>Betreff:</B> [sw-l] SignSpelling Rules
and Guidelines<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>SignWriting List<BR>January 25,
2005<BR><BR>Stefan Wohrmann wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>and
what is the mouth doing ??<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Stefan
;-)<BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That
is a good question ;-)<BR><BR>Why don't you write the mouth movements for
us...smile...go to the Flemish Online Dictionary to view the
video:<BR><BR>Sign for
Praag<BR>http://gebaren.ugent.be/alfabet.php?id=18435<BR><BR>The first
lady's mouth movements are quite obvious...;-)<BR><BR>Val
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