<DIV>First sign is clear, it is floor plane hand - spread wide going up and down. That's what the arrows tell you. The second hand, which I find easier to read than what you put, is the same hand you pointed out with the thumb forward at right angles to the flat hand, but at right angles to the floor. I, personally, would write this hand with a dark face to show it face down and the thumb sticking out rather than a white circle.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Shane Gilchrist Ó hEorpa <shane.gilchrist.oheorpa@francismaginn.org></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Does the palm face the floor (floor pane) or the wall (wall pane)?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Am interested in that sign as it’s also the sign for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Belfast</st1:place></st1:City> in NISL<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Shane<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Charles Butler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 08 March 2005 15:41<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [sw-l] My Thumbs Hurt!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Is this what you were looking for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sandy</st1:place></st1:City>?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG id=_x0000_i1025 height=54 alt=rain src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-US/dict/sl/rain.png" width=80 align=middle border=0><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The simple open hand is under the "5" hand (fifth group) down.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG id=_x0000_i1026 height=31 src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-US/symbol.php?sss=01-05-004-01-05-01&color=000000" width=20 atl="01-05-004-01-05-01"> this rotation is from the side on the hand you used. I could see using it as a black palm to show the same thing as your "rain" sign. It's difficult to show a "spread" hand and a hand with the thumb sticking out and still make it "instantly" readable.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Sandy Fleming <sandy@scotstext.org></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Arial Black" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'">List,<BR><BR>I just put the sign for rain in the BSL dictionary, like this: <IMG id=_x0000_i1027 height=32 src="cid:360280915@08032005-036b" width=32 align=baseline border=0>.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Arial Black" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'">What has happened to the hand in the IMWA that the thumb is sticking out at right angles from the back of the palm? This makes no sense to me but I couldn't find the old handshape with a completely black palm and the thumb drawn as a line on the opposite side to the baby finger.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Arial Black" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Black'">Is the sign as I've written it correct (the palms should be facing down, though slightly angled in the direction of motion), or is the simple spread hand handshape still available?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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