<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<DIV>May 31, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>Barbara in Italy wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Monaco" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Monaco">I'm not sure about ASL, but I know that in LIS eyegaze doesn't apply just to</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Monaco" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Monaco">"placing the listener", it has also a very important role WITHIN signed</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Monaco" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Monaco">sentences (as in "warning, I'm opening/closing one sentence" or in "warning,</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Monaco" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Monaco">this's gonna be real important"). So, I'm wondering whether the use of eyegaze</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Monaco" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Monaco">for both listener's placing and within the normal LIS flow will cause a bit of</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Monaco" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Monaco">confusion in readers or not.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>Hello Barbara -</DIV><DIV>This is an interesting point...I believe that all signed languages use eyegaze in different ways, so it could be argued that the two different uses of eyegaze could be confusing, but SignWriting is just writing body movement, and it is not changing how things are signed, so the signers themselves have to deal with these issues, because they are using eyegaze in different ways, when they sign a dialogue, and other people seem to understand them, so I think we should just write what we see...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Do you have a videotape of a dialogue in Italian Sign Language, that you would like to write in SignWriting? The best way to test this, is to write a document to see what happens...Viewing the videotape together will help...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>In DanceWriting, which was the forerunner to SignWriting and is inter-connected, we write group dances where one dancer is relating to other dancers on a stage, and we write the Stage Patterns, or Room Location with a square box at the bottom of each page... These Room Location symbols are in the IMWA in SignMaker...later I will try to construct a few for you to give you an idea, but here is an example of group dances...different dancers are on different lines...and their relationships are in the square at the bottom of the page...The three dancers are Stage-Left, and are in a row with each other....</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN><IMG src="cid:2557DD08-718C-4E60-9965-9C23A95ECE70@local"></SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>