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Eh... Stuart ... Now I'm thinking of alternatives.<br>
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In considering that these would need to be handwritten as well, I threw
out an idea to make the whole sign bold as a way of showing proper
nouns. The line really seems to be the fastest and easiest symbol.
Building upon that, variations of the line may work. Could it be that
the line could be dashed? Or perhaps a small curlicue could be put at
the end? Your wavy line suggestion sounds good too.<br>
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<img src="cid:part1.01030706.05050407@tampabay.rr.com" title=""
alt="noun indicator" width="150" height="42"><br>
<br>
I think brackets or parenthesis should be reserved for what they are
usually used for.<br>
<br>
The sign language specific method of indicating the noun and then
fingerspelling it seems to be the language specific way of indicationg
the noun but what about sign languages that don't support that concept?<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
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<br>
Stuart Thiessen wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid2b7538c7eb5f8c6ebeda3a5f6141f97b@passitonservices.org">I
agree that some kind of indication would be helpful. The side
underline looks like a good solution to me but if it conflicts with
another symbol, that wouldn't be good. I realize the underlining works
well for Stefan and James and they will not want to change their system
(which is fine). But if we had to make a formal symbol that wouldn't
conflict with other symbols .... Hmmm .... here are some brainstorms
... no one has to like any of them ;)
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<br>
- short wavy vertical line (like what word processors use for
misspellings)?
<br>
- some kind of small symbol to be used like tension or fast to show
this kind of thing? .... maybe like a circle with a < or >
inside? It could be beside, on top, or below the sign.
<br>
- Use the quote marks for name indication and not as much for
quotations or use an "underlined" quote mark for names?
<br>
- Employ one of the other symbols for quotes from other language
writing systems?
<br>
<br>
A few thoughts. Just thought I would share some brainstorms.
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<br>
Thanks,
<br>
<br>
Stuart
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On Jun 3, 2005, at 9:06, Valerie Sutton wrote:
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<br>
<blockquote type="cite">SignWriting List
<br>
June 3, 2005
<br>
<br>
James Shepard-Kegl, Esq. wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">They do if there is likely to be some
confusion. For example, in 1492
<br>
Columbus sailed the ocean blue --- in the Santa Maria, the Nina and the
<br>
Pinta. Now, to an English speaker, there's no confusion. To a
Spaniard,
<br>
"nina" means "girl" and "pinta" means "spot", so the words have to be
<br>
capitalized to denote names of ships. In Nicaraguan Sign, "Santa
Maria"
<br>
already is a specific sign ("for the Virgin Mary"), but "nina" gets
signed
<br>
as "girl" and "pinta" gets signed as "spot", so, indeed, there must be
a way
<br>
to signify proper nouns to avoid confusion. Obviously, color-coding
won't
<br>
work on a whiteboard, either.
<br>
</blockquote>
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Hello James and Stefan -
<br>
Thank you for this excellent explanation.
<br>
<br>
You have both convinced me now, that we need a new punctuation symbol
that is equivalent to a "capital letter" in spoken languages...And this
new Punctuation Symbol will make it possible to mark proper names or
anything else you wish to capitalize...perhaps even the beginning sign
in a sentence?...
<br>
<br>
Color is out. You are right. A daily writing system cannot be dependent
on color pens....
<br>
<br>
And underlining for horizontal writing is working for you, and that is
great...Your students already know it, so no need to change anything! I
will try to document this in our Lessons in SignWriting textbook in
time...
<br>
<br>
When it comes to changing all of my vertical documents...that is a huge
job and the side-underline conflicts with another symbol so I am not
sure yet what to do with the vertical columns...
<br>
<br>
But in time we will find a solution!
<br>
<br>
Val ;-)
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