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Stuart, thanks for your thoughts about languages, rules, and
transcription.<br>
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In ASL, I've seen the following signs uses to identify signs for
people, places, and things. I believe they both label nouns.<br>
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<img src="cid:part1.08000000.03050709@signpuddle.net" alt=""><br>
name<br>
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<img src="cid:part2.01060100.08010407@signpuddle.net" alt=""><br>
named<br>
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The first is used to identify a proper noun. Right?<br>
The second identifies .... a noun ... a common name? <br>
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-Steve<br>
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Stuart Thiessen wrote:
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cite="mid095db66968a1320f0499be1ed44e73fa@passitonservices.org"
type="cite">I think we have to distinguish between what is happening
in the language itself (on the phonological or morphological levels)
and how we actually write it on paper. For example, in English, the
sentence "We will go see the Washington Monument." and "We will go see
the washington monument." are pronounced exactly the same. There is no
difference on a phonological or morphological level. There is a
difference in my transcription based on the rules of writing English.
The first one is written correctly, but the second only violates
writing system rules. It seems that many writing systems have a way of
distinguishing names. Even the Shavian system which is an alternative
alphabet for writing English has a "namer dot" that precedes the name
(instead of capital letters) to indicate a proper name.
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As others have already noted, in ASL, we often fingerspell a proper
name before indicating the sign for it (particularly in introductions
or where a new name sign is being introduced). I haven't analyzed to
see if we really use the topic marker or not when we do that. Perhaps
others on the list are familiar with that in ASL. For languages which
do not use fingerspelling, there may be a different approach to
indicating the name.
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If the language is not using topic markers at that point, it doesn't
make sense to introduce those markers simply to mark a transcription
event (noting the proper name). This is usually a writing systems
issue, not a grammatical, morphological, or phonological issue. So we
shouldn't apply those kinds of solutions to the question.
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Thanks,
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Stuart
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On Jun 5, 2005, at 5:25, Kasterlinden Bilinguaal wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Hello List,
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I think the example where the name is underlined is confusing. I think
my students will misunderstand it. They will think it's a punctuation
mark.
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What about using 'topic', where the signers head is tilted back, and
the eyebrows are pulled up. (example 2)
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-a topic is used to mark the subject of the conversation and to check
if the other person knows anything about this subject.
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<mijn.png> <dot_a.png>
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<space_v.png>
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<mama_4.png> <dot_a.png>
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<space_v.png>
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<topicmijn.png> <dot_a.png>
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<space_v.png>
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<topicmama.png>
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Of course this is not to be used for every pronoun, but a thing to
consider ;)
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Greetings Kathleen
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>From: "Valerie Sutton" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org"><sutton@signwriting.org></a>
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>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>
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>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Underlining proper names in vertical columns...
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>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:47:49 -0700
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>SignWriting List
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>June 2, 2005
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>Which version to you prefer? I hope we get lots of answers from
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>everyone...Your feedback is welcome!
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