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<DIV>Here is how I see it, after much review.</DIV>
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<DIV>Valerie, you are the inventor, please show all facings for these two hands as still so that we can see what combinations of hands actually show the same hand positions. You are the authority here. I agree with you, Stefan, position 3 is clearer, one doesn't have to remember (o yeah, the hand is split, which means it MUST be palm facing the reader rather than position 2, edge on).</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Charles – <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">well I would like to understand your point of view. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For me both different spellings are the description of a “two hands still “ - no movement involved <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">both graphics describe the same .- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I prefer the spelling with the combination of two different planes ( top down and wall plane ) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Von:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</st1:PersonName> [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN></B>Charles Butler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Montag, 6. Juni 2005 23:45<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Re: [sw-l] Mixing plane</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I look at your example, Sergio, and I see two different signs. In one, the two-hand is pointed forward with the back of the hand up, going apparently under a flat hand with the palm toward the reader. In the second, the two hand is going under a flat hand facing down, different orientation, not the same two hands at all. I would, for myself, not even write the split in the flat hand in the second instance as the hand is pointed to the side, and therefore you see the edge of the hand, not the split. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">SignWriting List<BR>June 6, 2005<BR><BR>Hello Sergio!<BR>I prefer your first writing. Yes. We mix two planes within one sign <BR>all the time. I believe the first one is better, because the symbols <BR>are less complex. There may be others who disagree, <BR>though..smile...So you can technically write it either way and it is <BR>correct.... Val ;-)<BR><BR>----------------------<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Sergio wrote:<BR><BR>> Dear SW List,<BR>><BR>> I want ask to you if can I mixing two plane or point of view in a <BR>> Sign. Example:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR> Or the rule say that I need make it in the same plane, example:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR> What is better ?<BR>><BR>> Thank you,<BR>><BR>> Sergio Ribeiro<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>