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Steve,<br>
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I'm just thinking of all the little things that we find in dictionary
entries. For instance, the main word is in a boldface font- would we
need to similarly have a way to focus on the defined sign? Perhaps, it
too could be in bold - written with thicker lines.<br>
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And notice how the word is broken into syllables - with a short hyphen
separating them. Can we do something similar in SignWriting?<br>
<br>
The pronunciation of the sign could include the pronunciation guides
that Val has made. Like the body symbol that makes it possible to show
where on the body the sign is made. We've been talking about simple
versus detailed writing but I haven't seen those symbols utilized yet.<br>
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Notice that some of the words are italic - could we do something
similar in SignWriting?<br>
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What I'm suggesting is to see if we could come up with something that
could, as near as possible and with the many symbols already available
to us, duplicate the look and feel of a dictionary entry.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
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Steve Slevinski wrote:<br>
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Hi Bill,<br>
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I do not believe we need new symbols for dictionary entries. For sign
language dictionaries, each entry has three sections of information.
Spelling, Sequence, and additional. This relates to your example of
spelling, phonetics, and everything else.<br>
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Spelling <br>
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IMWA symbols in space. <br>
This is the sign image that we read.<br>
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Spelling Sequence<br>
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An ordered list of IMWA symbols used for dictionary lookup.<br>
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<img src="cid:part2.03040400.04020404@tampabay.rr.com" alt=""><br>
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Additional information<br>
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Any other informaiton about the sign. <br>
This information can be text, SignWriting, image, video, whatever.<br>
<br>
For additional information, I am currently considering... role of sign,
variants, and synonyms.<br>
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Role of sign<br>
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Verb, noun, classifier... Anyone have a complete list or a better
title?<br>
What about directional verbs?<br>
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Variants<br>
--------<br>
Variants are different spellings for the same sign. For any sign,
there are a huge number of variants because of the amount and type of
detail that is recorded. Some signs can be written on the vertical or
horizontal plane. Signs can be written detailed or simplified. Symbol
placement alone allows for a near unlimited number of variants. <br>
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Synonyms<br>
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Synonyms represent the same idea, but different signs. Dialects and
generations are the greatest source of synonyms. <br>
<br>
some of my thoughts,<br>
-Steve<br>
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Bill Reese wrote:
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Val,<br>
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One of the purposes of the question was to explore the issue and
determine if there are any areas that may need further symbols. It's
an exploratory process.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
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Valerie Sutton wrote:<br>
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<div>Bill Reese wrote:
<div>....For instance, the following is an entry in an english
dictionary for "pronunciation." How could this be done in SignWriting?<br>
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Main Entry: <b>pro·nun·ci·a·tion</b> <br>
Pronunciation: <tt>pr&-"n&n(t)-sE-'A-sh&n <i>also </i>÷-"naun(t)-</tt><br>
Function: <i>noun</i><br>
Etymology: Middle English <i>pronunciacion, </i>from Middle French <i>prononciation,
</i>from Latin <i>pronuntiation-, pronuntiatio, </i>from <i>pronuntiare</i><br>
<b>:</b> the act or manner of pronouncing something<br>
- <b>pro·nun·ci·a·tion·al</b> /<tt>-shn&l, -sh&-n<sup>&</sup>l</tt>/
<i>adjective</i></div>
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<div>Bill - This is a great question!</div>
<div>Ha...I am new to this too...but for now, regarding the
detailed
and the simplified...examples are clear in this attachment...see number
4..it is very very detailed...but in your entry above there are not
only detailed and simplified spellings, but also a definition about the
English word described in English, and we have the equivalent
definitions written in ASL about ASL starting in SignBank now, thanks
to Deaf contributor Adam Frost, who is writing the ASL definitions for
us...so the layout style of the dictionary has to be determined by the
editors of that dictioinary, and then create a standard throughout the
book...SignBank is the closest we have to that idea right now...I can
share some of this with you tomorrow - Thanks for your input... Val ;-)</div>
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