<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<DIV>June 21, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Everyone -</DIV><DIV>These are great discussions!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Tomas...regarding Unicode...</DIV><DIV>I feel that SWML...especially the SWML that is working in SignPuddle 2.0, is quite wonderful....I hope Unicode happens someday, but as Stuart says, it has to wait for the IMWA to be finished. But the SWML that Steve Slevinski has developed, based on Antonio Carlos' original SWML and stretched to become more dynamic...makes SignWriting no longer just graphics, it becomes searchable sortable language...so Unicode is not the only way to make SignWriting become written symbols instead of pasted graphics...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Many thanks to SIL and Stuart Thiessen for taking on the Unicode project for us, because I could no longer do work on Unicode with Michael Everson as I did years ago...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If in my lifetime we can get the IMWA to write DanceWriting, SignWriting and Mime Writing in the dynamic way we have written it by hand for 30 years, then my job is done, and I will leave Unicode for future generations ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>There are so many excellent programs under development and I bet sooner or later Unicode will get done -</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Val ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>------------------</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:29 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">Hi, Tomas!</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">That is something that my organization (Pass It On Services) is very interested in. With Valerie's approval, we have been working to build a team to do something in this area.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>The key issues have been working out some of the technology questions and finding the funding to pay for people's time to design the font and work on the various other elements of a solution. Some experts in this kind of work like Michael Everson and the Summer Institute of Linguistics are very willing to help but we have the issue of finding funding to support the project.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">I have also felt that we need to give the IMWA some time to settle.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>While Valerie's system is very flexible, Unicode is not as flexible if you want to keep the symbols in "sorting order".<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>If a new symbol is needed, it will be harder to insert it in the middle of an established Unicode ordering. Giving the IMWA time to settle and time for us to evaluate the system to see what else is needed is an important step in this process, I think.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>In the meantime, I hope to see what we can do to work on the other aspects of it so that when it seems like we have a good basis for this, we can move forward on it.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">If anyone on the list has any suggestions on where to find funding for this project, we would love to move forward on it.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>We have a list of foundations here in Iowa that we are planning to contact but most of it is small grants.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">Thanks,</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">Stuart</FONT></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">On Jun 21, 2005, at 2:49, Tomá Klapka wrote:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>IMVHO there is need of:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>- standard (adding IMWA into the Unicode)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>- fonts (vector fonts /TrueType/)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>- input method (create system /windows,linux,.../ compatible input methods)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>What is the state of standardization of IMWA and process of including IMWA into the Unicode?</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>I think it is the most important step.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>And what about creating of TrueType fonts for IMWA? AFAIK it is just pictures now, which is almost unable to use in standard applications. TrueType is vector type and it is possible to change size of the text without lost of rendering quality.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Is there any core team to work on these issues?</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Tomas</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Lucyna Dlugolecka wrote:</FONT><FONT face="Geneva" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Geneva">Imagine the world in 2015. ;-)</FONT></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Geneva">SW is known by the Deaf in most countries of the world, they can write in their SLs, read books in SLs and even read news in SLs on the web. And can they use Google to search for SL words within SW pages? Ha! :-)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Geneva">Programmers, now you see what the challenge for you is :-)</FONT></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"> </FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Geneva">Lucyna</FONT></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"> </FONT></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"> </FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Geneva">GG 3618151 SMS +48505273292</FONT></DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P> </DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>