<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<DIV>June 27, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Tomas -</DIV><DIV>I am no expert on the programming side of the x-y coordinate issues, however, I do know that some programs are accomplishing it beautifully...For example, in this paper on the web, Antonio Carlos discusses x-y coordinates in relation to SWML and SVG:</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><A href="http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/swml/swml01.html">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/swml/swml01.html</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>plus these two papers...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>SignMatching with x-y coordinates:</DIV><DIV><A href="http://signwriting.org/forums/software/lisbon/lisbon03.html">http://signwriting.org/forums/software/lisbon/lisbon03.html</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Unicode related project in France</DIV><DIV><A href="http://signwriting.org/forums/software/lisbon/lisbon09.html">http://signwriting.org/forums/software/lisbon/lisbon09.html</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>And obviously SignPuddle is handling the x-y coordinates well...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Regarding TrueType fonts and the x-y coordinates, I assumed that the True Type would have to be Unicode approved first, before we could assess that issue.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Some of Stefan's fonts have complete signs on one key...so those rare fonts would not have an x-y coordinate issue!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>But the individual symbols have to be on separate keys, to create signs...So the typist can type all variations of each sign...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Right now, with the fingerspelling fonts, we open a graphics program and use a mouse to push the symbols around ;-))</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Val ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>---------------------------</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 27, 2005, at 7:31 AM, Tomáš Klapka wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> I know how this works ;)<BR> <BR> I need to know how to put these symbols together... In these fonts there is always only the symbol. Not a sign. I am interested in how to coordinate symbols in the relation to other symbols in the sign. It is other level of the sign rendering. First level is how to render each symbol (It is the TrueType font graphics level).<BR> The second level is how to render the sign from these symbols... there you need to know the positions of these symbols, these coordinates I am talking about ;) I suppose it will be simillar coordinate system as in vector fonts, but it is different type of coordinates ;)<BR> <BR> Tomas<BR> <BR> Valerie Sutton wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite="mid18DC0DC1-E902-4AC1-80D0-C587CDCB9569@signwriting.org" type="cite">SignWriting List <BR> June 27, 2005 <BR> <BR> Tomas - <BR> Why don't you download some of our True Type fonts in SignWriting? Maybe you can test how we handled vector graphics that way? All of the Fingerspelling Fonts are in True Type: <BR> <BR> Download True Type Fonts <BR> <A class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signwriting.org/catalog/sw214.html">http://www.signwriting.org/catalog/sw214.html</A> <BR> <BR> Test those fonts! <BR> <BR> PLUS....Did you know that there are other True Type fonts in SignWriting?... The three styles that I know of are... <BR> <BR> 1. Sutton Fonts <BR> 2. Woehrmann Fonts <BR> 3. Parkhurst Fonts <BR> <BR> Stefan Woehrmann's fonts are terrific!! Take a look at this web page which Stefan created with his fonts: <BR> <BR> <A class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/new/new001.htm">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/new/new001.htm</A> <BR> <BR> <A class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/download/download_abc_expressiv.htm">http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/download/download_abc_expressiv.htm</A> <BR> <BR> Take a look at the attached. It is a diagram that begins using Stefan's TT fonts, but ends with a SWDOS sign...what a difference! <BR> <BR> <BR> <HR size="4" width="90%"><BR> <CENTER><IMG src="cid:6AC13DD8-3081-4345-BF24-211E6E18F952@local"></CENTER> </BLOCKQUOTE> </DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>