<HTML><HEAD><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2668" name="GENERATOR"></HEAD><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<DIV>July 30, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV>On Jul 29, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Charles Butler wrote:</DIV><DIV>I'm just thoroughly learning the IMWA even now (after 25 years in the SW community).</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Hello Charles, Stuart, Stefan, Ingvild and everyone!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thank you for choosing to learn all these new developments...I can imagine it must feel overwhelming for all of you, and I am going to try my best now, to explain everything...You could not have learned these new developments 25 years ago, Charles, because they didn't exist yet! ;-)</DIV><DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>All writing systems change with use, and if, 25 years ago, I had not been flexible, SignWriting would not be used today. It is because I listened to our users, and made the changes that the majority requested, that SignWriting is now becoming the written form for 36 signed languages...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Want to see our new Who Uses SignWriting web page? There are more countries now...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Who Uses SignWriting?</DIV><DIV><A href="http://www.SignWriting.org/about/who">http://www.SignWriting.org/about/who</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>But that means that it has been a little painful for you and me, Charles, because we have to adjust to the changes, because our documents have to change to match the way things are written today.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I believe that the SignWriting symbols are becoming stable within the signed languages that have been writing for the past decade...That means the western languages of the Americas, and Europe. Japan is the only eastern signed language that has been writing for the past five years or so, but the other eastern signed languages and african signed languages, are now going to get the symbols they need to write with, starting with Ethiopia!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>This means that the IMWA itself, which is a big storage archive for all the symbols, will become even bigger now, to include the handshapes from the languages we have not written yet...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So learning the IMWA is probably not as important, as writing lots of signs in your own signed languages, in SignPuddle. The more you add signs to your SignPuddle, the better we can determine what specific symbols you need to write your languages, and we can then, someday, give a special SignPuddle only for your signed language, without all the symbols you do not need...that will make things easier for everyone!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So pioneers, be brave! I hope to answer your questions soon...I am sorry I am always so behind.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Stuart...please write your questions in SignWriting...I mean show me how you would write it by hand, and scan it in and then post it to the list...I will add any symbols you need to the IMWA gladly! But I am such a visual person...spoken language descriptions of movement are very hard for me sometimes to imagine...the moment I see it visually, I know exactly what you need...smile...it will actually save you time if you can show me what you want in SignWriting from the beginning and you will see a big difference in my response time...smile...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Have a great Saturday everyone!!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Val ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">SW Lessons Directory</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><A href="http://www.SignWriting.org/lessons/lessons.html">http://www.SignWriting.org/lessons/lessons.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; 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