<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><SPAN></SPAN><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">The sign circled in red could either be interpreted as a determiner meaning "the" or as a demonstrative pronoun meaning "that". It is not the word "the" but it seems to share a similar function in ASL. In some languages, the 3rd person pronoun is used liked a determiner or a demonstrative pronoun. So, in this case, the form and look of the determiner or demonstrative pronoun in ASL looks alot like a regular pronoun even though it is used a little differently.</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">Thanks,</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">Stuart</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:39, bwhite wrote:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#ff0000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #ff0000">I agree... with the word THE. I didn't think it was ASL.</FONT></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"> </FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="4" color="#ff0000" style="font: 14.0px Helvetica; color: #ff0000">bw</FONT><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"> </FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="4" style="font: 15.0px Arial">----- Original Message -----</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="4" style="font: 15.0px Arial">From: </FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="4" color="#0000ee" style="font: 15.0px Arial; color: #0000ee">Valerie Sutton</FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="4" style="font: 15.0px Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="4" style="font: 15.0px Arial">To: </FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="4" color="#0000ee" style="font: 15.0px Arial; color: #0000ee"><A href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A></FONT><FONT face="Arial" size="4" style="font: 15.0px Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="4" style="font: 15.0px Arial">Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:59 PM</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Arial" size="4" style="font: 15.0px Arial">Subject: [sw-l] Signs for FUN and THE...ASL? ;-)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">SignWriting List</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">August 14, 2005</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">Hello Brenda!</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">The sign for FUN makes sense, although it is written incorrectly. You know, SignPuddle is a lot of fun, because anyone can add signs and sometimes we experiment with this or that, and then leave the half-written sign in SignPuddle by mistake! Then it needs to be cleaned up later, when we try to send an email!!...grin...so I will clean up FUN and post it next message...</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">I didn't know there was such a thing as a sign for THE? That certainly isn't ASL, is it? Does real ASL really have a sign for THE?</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva"> Val ;-)</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">-------------------------</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Geneva" size="4" style="font: 14.0px Geneva">On Aug 14, 2005, at 8:21 PM, bwhite wrote:</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="5" color="#ff0000" style="font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #ff0000">I thought the first circle was THE and the second circle FUN. ???</FONT></DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Geneva; min-height: 19px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>