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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Charles – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am sorry – but that
is not the case! – smile – <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>GebaerdenSchrift is
totally different from Cued Speech because you do not get any information about
the sound system of the given Spoken Language. I guess the contrary is true in
Cued Speech. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“Mundbildschrift “
– a notation system invented by me is pretty much like cued speech. Every
symbol gets a distinct match with a specific sound- production. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The reason that these two
system get mixed and the reason that it is so difficult to explain that both
systems show Mundbilder – but the symbol sets for both system are different.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</st1:PersonName>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>C</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>harles <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Butler</st1:place></st1:City><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Sonntag, 21. August 2005
19:41<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: AW: [sw-l] email
lessons</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>i see GebaerdenSchrift as very parallel to Cued Speech. With a
handful of handshapes, HoH people are helped to learn spoken language fairly
accurately by being able to divide sounds on the face by articulators that
don't appear on the face. Best example is that the words "red"
and "green" look exactly the same on the face to a hard-of-hearing
person, but their internal articulators (inside the mouth) are different.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Stefan Wöhrmann
<stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Valerie and list - <br>
<br>
no (smile) it is not possible to learn German words through the Mundbilder<br>
in GebaerdenSchrift. There are many reasons for that. The most important<br>
reason is that there is no distinct match between a given sound of German<br>
langauge and a specific Mundbild in GebaerdenSchrift. <br>
<br>
But there is another notation system called "Mundbildschrift" - <br>
<br>
The difference between these two system is somewhat complicated. <br>
<br>
In my "Handbuch zur GebaerdenSchrift" there is a whole chapter only
about<br>
this aspect. <br>
<br>
Since SL does not care about sound and voice - but depends on looking at the<br>
hands, body a n d mouth these "Mundbilder in der GebaerdenSchrift"
just<br>
give some impressions about the voiceless (silent) mouth movements while<br>
somebody is performing a sign. <br>
<br>
A good example may be the video of "skola" we discus! sed in detail -
smile. <br>
<br>
Just look at the mouth of the performer. <br>
<br>
Well - the "internal point of view" tells the scribe that this sign
stems<br>
from Czech SL so he is going to move his lipse like saying the word
"SH" "C"<br>
"O - like in all" "L" and "A" <br>
<br>
In fact you can't identify all these distinct "stills" and of course
-<br>
Charles - it has something to do with your knowledge in before - <br>
<br>
But nevertheless it is up to the skilled SignWriting scribe to accept a<br>
performance just as it is - or to neglect or to suppress some of the<br>
information that is offered. <br>
<br>
Contrary to that the "Mundbildschrift" is a system that supports<br>
articulation. But this is not a question most people of the SW - list are<br>
interested in. It is not a matter of SW but much more a typical educational<br>
matter if teacher try to support deaf children to improve articulation. If<br>
so - "Mundbildschrift" turns ot to become a wonderful support. <br>
<br>
Stefan ;-) <br>
<br>
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</st1:PersonName><br>
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Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton<br>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2005 16:38<br>
An: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</st1:PersonName><br>
Betreff: Re: [sw-l] email lessons<br>
<br>
SignWriting List<br>
August 21, 2005<br>
<br>
Thank you, to all of you, who have been sending email written in <br>
SignWriting! And I enjoyed seeing some German messages in German <br>
signs. Thank you, Stefan!<br>
<br>
So tell us a little about this sign, which I took from one of the <br>
emails. There are a lot of Mundbilder, so I assume that it is <br>
speaking a German word...Do you think a foreigner like myself could <br>
say the German word correctly from the Mundbilder? Have you ever <br>
tested that? If not, it doesn't matter, since what matters is your <br>
Deaf students of course, but I am curious to see if I could learn <br>
German words through the Mundbilder (grin)....<br>
<br>
Can you post ! the equivalent sounds connected to each Mundbilder, or <br>
direct us to the exact web page...Many thanks!! Val ;-)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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