<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>SignWriting List</DIV><DIV>September 9, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Lucyna - Do you remember when I asked the question to the List: What is the difference between Expressive and Receptive writing? And you answered that you would not answer that because you were not a beginner...smile?...I never meant to imply anyone was a beginner, but I was worried about some of the signs in your SignPuddle that look like they were written from the Receptive view rather than the Expressive view...so there was reason for my asking that question, and as you can see, the subject has now come up. I am happy it did ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Actually I love the Receptive view and always use to write that way myself, but the one definite rule we have is to stay in the same viewpoint within one document. So we do not mix Receptive and Expressive together in the same document. The Expressive is the world standard way to write SignWriting so your SignPuddle needs to be consistently Expressive...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>DanceWriting is oftentimes written receptively because we would sit in the audience and write the movements that the dancers were doing on stage...but that is another world altogether! Receptive in DanceWriting is very beautiful - I miss writing dance and look forward to returning to it someday...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>And guess what...a young man who is a competing skateboarder has asked me to write skateboard movements...ha! it is great fun! And that I am writing receptively...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>But that is not SignWriting, which is Expressive because we are expressing ourselves when we write...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Val ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-------------------</DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><DIV><DIV>Lucyna Dlugolecka wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; ">I see! I thought it depends on the point of view! With signs without the head I used to put "up" arrows (as in the YOU sign, e.g.). I try to take the all rules logically :-). If I put a head to the sign, I start imagining that there is a "person" signing to me, and if the person move forward (toward me :-)), the floor parellel movement arrow is to be pointing down... So now I know I was wrong... thanks... I'll correct it tomorrow as now it's about midnight :-)</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>On Sep 9, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><DIV>Oh my goodness, no! That is a big misunderstanding, although I can see why that happened...Expressive is a little weird...It is as if you are looking through the back of someone's head and feeling your own face doing the facial expressions...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Your idea above would mean that you were changing your writing and mixing Receptive and Expressive...but no...if we choose to write in the Expressive View, then we always remain in the Expressive view at all times within the document.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The American sign for NOT is a very similar sign...but we remain in the Expressive view...So forward, in Expressive, is up on the page. Back, in the Expressive, is down on the page. And when movement is forward, even though you are touching your chin and the arrow seems like it would go through the center of the facial circle, you still remain Expressive and simply place the arrow over to the side a little..</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BODY></HTML>