<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<DIV>September 9, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>Lucyna Dlugolecka wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; ">I see! I thought it depends on the point of view! With signs without the head I used to put "up" arrows (as in the YOU sign, e.g.). I try to take the all rules logically :-). If I put a head to the sign, I start imagining that there is a "person" signing to me, and if the person move forward (toward me :-)), the floor parellel movement arrow is to be pointing down... So now I know I was wrong... thanks... I'll correct it tomorrow as now it's about midnight :-)</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>Oh my goodness, no! That is a big misunderstanding, although I can see why that happened...Expressive is a little weird...It is as if you are looking through the back of someone's head and feeling your own face doing the facial expressions...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Your idea above would mean that you were changing your writing and mixing Receptive and Expressive...but no...if we choose to write in the Expressive View, then we always remain in the Expressive view at all times within the document.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The American sign for NOT is a very similar sign...but we remain in the Expressive view...So forward, in Expressive, is up on the page. Back, in the Expressive, is down on the page. And when movement is forward, even though you are touching your chin and the arrow seems like it would go through the center of the facial circle, you still remain Expressive and simply place the arrow over to the side a little..</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN><IMG src="cid:7CE043E8-4128-4685-95A1-5B6E0A5D6C6A@local"></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>