<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<DIV>September 10, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Hello Lucyna and Everyone...</DIV><DIV>You are very welcome. And thanks once again for sharing this with everyone, because I know that there are others who have had the same experiences. This is not uncommon. I have met others who have blended Receptive and Expressive before, so you are not alone. This will help them too...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am sorry that my books have not been clear enough, Lucyna...I will try to think through how we can explain this better in the future...I am glad you told me ;-))</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Val ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>P.S. I keep thinking about that historic time when we switched from receptive to expressive back in 1984. At first, I argued against the change, stating that when we contact the face, and then move forward, that the arrow would hit the face and look weird in the expressive. But our Deaf skilled Signwriters told me that that does not matter because they are not writing in a mirror...they are writing the way it feels to themselves while they are signing, without seeing themselves in a mirror, but feeling it on the right side of their own face, and so the arrow has to move forward somehow, keeping in the Expressive...so we slowly got used to certain spellings that have that configuration...moving the forward arrow over to the right side of the facial circle a little when necessary...it is just a matter of time and these spellings will become standardized and students will learn in a totally different way...they will accept the way the dictionary is...That is why I want to improve our E-lessons, with more and more SignSpelling guidelines, so we can standardize our writing around the world...There may always be some differences from country to country, just as there are with the Roman Alphabet...but nevertheless, we should try for standardization if we can...I would say in the next 5 years you will see a big difference...the SignSpelling Guidelines will be thick with structure! smile</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>------------------------</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Lucyna Dlugolecka wrote:</FONT></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -khtml-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -khtml-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Hello Val.</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Thank you very much for your help.</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><FONT></FONT> </FONT></DIV><DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#00AA00">Val wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -khtml-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -khtml-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#00AA00">Lucyna - Do you remember when I asked the question to the List: What is the difference between Expressive and Receptive writing? And you answered that you would not answer that because you were not a beginner...smile?...I never meant to imply anyone was a beginner, but I was worried about some of the signs in your SignPuddle that look like they were written from the Receptive view rather than the Expressive view...so there was reason for my asking that question, and as you can see, the subject has now come up. I am happy it did ;-)</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#00AA00"> </FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Lucyna wrote:<BR></FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -khtml-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -khtml-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><DIV><FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Sure, I remeber that. And I really knew the answer to your question. I just know the theory because you explain the Expressive and Receptive writing in your teaching materials. So, following them, I did not put my right hand movement to the left side of the written head if my writing were really Receptive :-). I didn't see any arrows in your materials on the views, so I took it as logically as I could, that is, I imagined that, for example, the eyes in the head are mine and not of another signer. But somehow, I was inclined to write signs as if they were reflected in a mirror...</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Now I seem to understand the question and I see how much I have to correct again... :-).</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"> </FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Lucy</FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>