<html><div style='background-color:'><P>Hello Val,</P>
<P>if I look at the video 'Frans' I see the thumb being behind the indexfinger, so I would go for this shape...</P>
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<P>Greetings Kathleen<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Valerie Sutton" <sutton@signwriting.org></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</I><BR>To: <I>sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [sw-l] BELGIUM Frans and Frankrijk</I><BR>Date: <I>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:12:37 -0700</I><BR>>SignWriting List<BR>>September 24, 2005<BR>><BR>>On Sep 22, 2005, Kasterlinden Bilinguaal wrote:<BR>>>thank you for the explanation ;) I don't have to destroy the t- <BR>>>shirts ;)<BR>>Ha! I am glad! ;-))<BR>><BR>>>The suggestion you made is I think most correct, but I'm happy to <BR>>>see I didn't make a big mistake. Glad to see my SW-instinct is <BR>>>getting better :) As you know one sign can have many different <BR>>>forms.. deppending on the person signing it
;)<BR>><BR>>Yes. That is true. But even so, it is great to have photos or video <BR>>clips to show one person signing the signs, because otherwise I <BR>>might think we are writing a totally different sign, so it is good <BR>>to verify the possible spellings with a photo or video...<BR>><BR>>>Yes, please tell me why the arrow is in front of the handshape? <BR>>>Sometimes it's not very clear to me where I have to place these <BR>>>when constructing a sign. :s<BR>><BR>>Wonderful. I will do that next message...<BR>><BR>>>I don't really use the handshape Kristof uses in French, see that's <BR>>> what I meant by 'different' forms depending on the signer. ;)<BR>>Of course you may not personally, but meanwhile, in your Flemish <BR>>SignPuddle, the sign for
Frankrijk did have that handshape, and it <BR>>was the wrong handshape, if the written sign is supposed to be using <BR>> the same handshape that Kristof used in the videoclip for Frans...<BR>><BR>>I corrected it in your SignPuddle...so you will need to take a look <BR>>at it...any sign I add has my name on it as the source ;-)<BR>><BR>>See attached. The sign that I entered has the thumb on the inside of <BR>> the index finger, but the original written sign (below it) has the <BR>> thumb on the outside of the index finger. Which is correct?<BR>><BR>><BR>
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