<DIV>I would agree with Nana, I like showing the hands, when you can, in their actual positions, not moved for the sake of a spelling rule.</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles<BR><BR><B><I>Nana Dumitra <nana.dumitra@SCHLOSSKLAUS.AT></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear Charles,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To me the first version is much clearer. I am not too sure yet about the black dot for the closing of the hand/ fingers. I don’t have the time right now to look it <SPAN class=GramE>up </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings">L</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Greetings from the </SPAN></FONT><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Philippines</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nana<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Charles Butler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2005 18:04<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [sw-l] Another Compound Sign in FSL</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Very clear, now for one for you and the list. Which sign for "contrabando" is clearer. I'm am trying to show a hand taking money "under the table." The open right hand slides under the left hand and closes. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG id=_x0000_i1031 height=55 alt=contrabando src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/dict/sl/contrabando.png" width=76 align=middle border=0> <SPAN class=SpellE><SPAN class=GramE>contrabando</SPAN></SPAN> <IMG id=_x0000_i1032 height=65 alt=contrabando_2 src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/dict/sl/contrabando_2.png" width=51 align=middle border=0> contrabando_2<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Nana Dumitra <nana.dumitra@SCHLOSSKLAUS.AT></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear Charles, Val and List,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for your input. I think I took some of all the ideas that I got and combined them into what I think is an easy to read and clear spelling for FSL “daughter”. This is what you will now find in Signpuddle FSL: <IMG id=_x0000_i1030 height=104 src="cid:2992769169000000@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com" width=67><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nana<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Charles Butler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2005 01:26<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [sw-l] Another Compound Sign in FSL</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I would have moved the arm and left hand to below the arrows, as the primary movement is down, and centered it. I can read it because it is very similar to ASL, but this shows more explicitly the position of the flat hands at the contact points.<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Nana Dumitra <nana.dumitra@SCHLOSSKLAUS.AT></SPAN></I></B> wrote: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear Val and List,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the comments on „purpose“.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now I have another question: The FSL sign for daughter is very hard for me to write. I tried the following: <IMG id=_x0000_i1029 height=93 src="cid:2992769169000001@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com" width=136><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here the verbal explanation: The left hand is kind of stationary throughout the sign. The right hand starts out touching the right cheek, then turns forward down and a little up again, before hitting down on the lower left arm close to the elbow. It is a very graceful movement, not jerky at all as one might think with all these arrows that I wrote, but I have a hard time figuring out, which arrows to use and also how much I need to write in order to still be understood.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please, help!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Nana<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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