<DIV><IMG alt=mundo_3 src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/dict/sl/mundo_3.png" align=middle border=0> or <IMG alt=mundo_4 src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/dict/sl/mundo_4.png" align=middle border=0></DIV>
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<DIV>It's real hard to show hands on top of each other closing, and swirling clockwise while closing to an A handshape.</DIV>
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<DIV>Which is clearer?</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Valerie Sutton <sutton@signwriting.org></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">SignWriting List<BR>November 3, 2005<BR><BR>> Charles Butler wrote:<BR>>> How does this look following those rules, the hands spin in a <BR>>> circle while trilling.<BR><BR>Hello Charles -<BR>Thanks for this question. That is a beautiful sign from Brazil, isn't <BR>it? smile...<BR><BR>There are two different issues here...One is the symbols themselves, <BR>and the other is...What do we do, when we do not want to write both <BR>the beginning and ending positions?...<BR><BR>So far, with the rules that I just posted, I was writing both the <BR>beginning and ending positions of the sign. I am not saying you have <BR>to do that, it is just a question that keeps coming up over the <BR>years...what happens when we take one of those hand positions <BR>away?..and which one do we take away? We know, with the dot-by-dot <BR>symbols we have to have the open hand, or otherw!
ise we
don't know <BR>which finger is closing first, second or third, so I guess if you are <BR>going to take one away, you have to take the ending position away, <BR>which is what you did in this writing...<BR><BR>So we are assuming knowledge of the sign...and that is ok, if it can <BR>be read by the people who know the sign!<BR><BR>For me, as a foreigner, I would not really know how the sign <BR>finishes...what handshape does it close into? An S handshape, or an A <BR>handshape? And are those two ending handshapes relating to each other <BR>at the end? or are they separated by space? smile...<BR><BR>Would it hurt to write the ending position? Thanks for your <BR>question! Val ;-)<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>