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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Charles and Valerie,</FONT></DIV>
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<STRONG>Obrigado em me fazer entender com meus emails to
Valerie.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Thank you to help to became understandable my emails to
Valerie.</FONT></DIV>
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Soon I will answer your email and the Valerie, but i need, read and re
read many times in order to understand And write and re write to make
me understand.</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=4> </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM
href="mailto:chazzer3332000@YAHOO.COM">Charles Butler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] BRAZIL tongue
position inside the mouth</DIV>
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<DIV>I've been really swamped at work, but my hope is to get some more signs
in over the next two weeks. Its' really fun to do, and my printer is
finally working again so I can put the signs in.</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles</DIV>
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<DIV>(i lost my password as an editor -- again, so I can't fix some of the
older signs).</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Valerie Suutton <<A
href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</A>></I></B>
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<DIV>November 19, 2005</DIV>
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<DIV>Augusto - I just found out that you are already an Editor of the
SignPuddle dictionary! That is great news ;-) So you do not have to sign up
again...you have already done that ;-) Sorry for my confusion...</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles -</DIV>
<DIV>Yes...I need to work on other projects, like getting the new upload for
SignBank on the web, so we can work on your dictionary publication! So I
think it would be great if Augusto and others can try to write what they
need with the symbols in SignMaker in SignPuddle, and add them to the
Brazilian SignPuddle themselves, even though they are only mouth movements
or speech-related symbols...that can be marked as such, in the
dictionary...Then, post an example to our List here and we can have fun
discussing it!</DIV>
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<DIV>I hope you can add a few of the signs from your dictionary project into
the Brazilian SignPuddle too, so that when I start teaching how to create
multi-lingual dictionaries with SignBank, we can use a few examples from
your dictionary document, to test it, etc...smile...</DIV>
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<DIV>And regarding Mouth Movements...remember looking at the work of Stefan
Woehrmann...even though that is for the German spoken language mouth
movements, it still is a fascinating system (Mundbildschrift) that is
working with Deaf children in Germany...</DIV>
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<DIV>SignWriting in Germany</DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/germany">http://www.SignWriting.org/germany</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Val ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 19, 2005, at 8:10 AMM, Charles Butler wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>I guess, Valerie, what he's wanting to show is the difference between
"velar" (the tongue at the roof of the mouth (like where it goes for a k
or a g) and alveolar (like the letters t or d) or gutteral (like the gh in
Arabic) or glottal (like the sound h). I know you can show
labio-fricative (like for f or v) but I'm not sure if you can show the
"sh" position of the teeth and the tongue. The fourth column only
shows the tongue inside the mouth, it doesn't distinguish, that I can see,
between these many positions, and from a distance, I'm not sure it
can. There may be a way, I'm just not sure that I have seen it
through the years with sign writing. There may be a good way to
adapt what we have to that usage.</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles Butler</DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Valerie Sutton <<A
href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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gnWriting List<BR>November 19, 2005<BR><BR>Augusto wrote:<BR>> How
can I write with SW the tongue´s position inside the mouth? <BR>>
It´s possible?<BR><BR>----------------------<BR><BR>Hello Augusto!<BR>I
just sent you another email privately, inviting you to become an
<BR>Editor of the Brazilian SignPuddle. I sent it to this email
address:<BR><BR><A
href="mailto:Augusto@dicionariolibras.com.br">Augusto@dicionariolibras.com.br</A><BR><BR>Is
that the correct email address? I sent this before...a long time
<BR>ago...but I don't believe you got it...anyway...be sure to click on
<BR>the link in the email-invitation to establish your password, so you
<BR>can start adding signs to the Brazilian
SignPuddle...<BR><BR>Now...regarding your question...Yes. We do have
many Tongue symbols. <BR>Go to your SignPuddle:<BR><BR>Brazilian
SignPuddle<BR>http://www.SignBank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR<BR><BR>and click
on the SignMaker icon. Then click on this symbol, and other <BR>symbols
appear...They are the Tongue symbols...see attached diagram. <BR>T!
ongue on the inside of the mouth is the fourth column over to the
<BR>right...hope this helps...<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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