<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<DIV>November 30, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Hello Kathleen and Everyone -</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Kristof had the very very hard job of writing all those signs by himself, with no one to help him or give him feedback...he was totally alone with it, as far as I know...so we can only give him applause for the pioneer work...I think he did an amazing job...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So this is no criticism...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>But I think it is best not to use those lines...I can see the problems Kristof was facing, but we have other ways to write these signs...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>This is important for me, because if we leave this, I would have the burden of having to start teaching it in our textbooks, or at least documenting a newly-developed symbol from Flanders, and that is a lot of work for me, and also a lot for others to learn too...when I don't think it is necessary...so I would like to ask if we can show this to your children again, but with some examples from me for other alternatives as well...I hope this will be ok with you? It would be a great help to me...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What perhaps Kristof was looking for, was to add arm lines to the hands, to show that they are flexing at the wrist...I will show you next message what I mean...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Val ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-----------------------------</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 30, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Kasterlinden Bilinguaal wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="background-color:"><DIV class="RTE"><P>Hello Val,</P><P>I first saw this in the Flemish online dictionary from Kristof, the sign for working 'werken' </P><P><IMG title="werken" alt="Gebaar voor: "werken"" src="http://gebaren.ugent.be/zoeken.php?sign=entry47684"> </P><P>The vertical lines represent the <STRONG>wrist</STRONG>. Kristof told me he used this to make it clear how the handshape needs to be seen. </P><P>I used to write 'year' like the first signs you see here. The children didn't read it very well. When we changed it to the next one (example 2), they red it without a problem. (now we need to apply the spellingrules again ;)</P><P> <IMG alt="jaar" src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-nl/dict/sl/jaar.png" align="middle" border="0"> <IMG src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-nl/dict/space_h.png" align="middle"> <IMG alt="jaar_2" src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-nl/dict/sl/jaar_2.png" align="middle" border="0"></P><P>year (example 1) year (example 2)</P><P>Greetings kathleen ;)<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif"> <HR color="#a0c6e5" size="1"> <DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Valerie Sutton" <<A href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">sutton@signwriting.org</A>></I><BR>Reply-To: <I><A href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A></I><BR>To: <I><A href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A></I><BR>Subject: <I>[sw-l] FLANDERS Question about a vertical line symbol in Flemish SignPuddle ;-)</I><BR>Date: <I>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:08:49 -0800</I><BR>>SignWriting List<BR>>November 30, 2005<BR>><BR>>>Kasterlinden Bilinguaal wrote:<BR>>>I just created the one I use most in the puddle ;)<BR>><BR>>Perfect! I just looked in your SignPuddle, and found <BR>>it!.....smile...<BR>><BR>>Which gives me a perfect opportunity to ask you a question...I <BR>>noticed in the Flemish SignPuddle that some signs have a vertical <BR>>line that is thick, next to square handshapes...see the attached <BR>>sign for opdracht..I do not know what the vertical line means to <BR>>you...we do not add a line like that, so somehow this has a meaning <BR>>to you in Flanders, but nowhere else in the world that I know <BR>>of...can you share with us what the vertical line means to you?... <BR>>smile...Val ;-)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><P>><< opdracht.gif >> </P><DIV></DIV><P>><BR>><BR> </P></FONT><DIV><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif"></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR clear="all"><HR>Bescherm je Inbox: <A href="http://g.msn.com/8HMANLBE/2755??PS=47575" target="_top">Phishing - hoe te herkennen, rapporteren en voorkomen </A> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>