<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<DIV>December 15, 2005</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cherie from Georgia, USA wrote:<DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><FONT size="2" face="sans-serif">hello, newbie Cherie here.... I am slowly working my way thru the e-lessons, and came to one on the surface symbols. While working on a document recently, I needed the sign for 'English', and all of the ones (I think there were two or three) in the signPuddle were very hard to read because the symbols overlapped... would that be a case where you would use the surface symbol?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>Hello Cherie and Everyone!</DIV><DIV>You are right that the sign for English, in ASL, is a hard one to write. In the late 1980's to mid-1990's I worked with a group of native-ASL signers, called the DAC (Deaf Action Committee For SignWriting), and that old SignSpelling of the ASL sign for ENGLISH was their choice. And although I can see it must be hard for newcomers, I personally got used to the old SignSpelling...the writing became normal to me because I saw it so often...SignSpellings are funny that way....We can work long on how to write something, and after awhile you get used to one spelling and reading it stops being a problem...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Yes. We do have Surface Symbols and they are used occasionally, in hard-to-write cases. But we try not to use them when possible, since everyday reading, for Deaf children, goes smoother without them. They are more abstract....</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>But the one thing that your new writing misses, is the need for the Grasp Symbol...it is a Plus sign...that symbol is necessary to read the sign for ENGLISH (for me at least) because it means that one hand is grasping or holding the other...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Anyway, I just went into SignPuddle and added a fourth version showing another way to show the hands relating to each other...so here are all four attached...smile...The first two signs are actually different signs...The first one moves back toward the chest, and not down...The second one the right hand moves down twice...but I could re-enter those with the new hand configuration if you wish, that I entered in version 4...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Although I can read the old SignSpellings, the fourth one I just entered is a little easier to read for me too...you are welcome to experiment with new SignSpellings and add them to the SignPuddle. I look forward to your response! Val ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN><IMG src="cid:54721602-90D3-4C7F-A6E0-D9C87DE00BA9@local"></SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>