<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Your pictures didn't come thru, but
the way I see it/sign it most often both hands ARE moving together, down
and slightly forward, just like the movement in 'congratulate' that
is the open arrow, right? The variation with only the top hand moving
down and 'smacking' the lower hand is also used here.</font>
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<br><font size=2><tt>I think the problem is the arrow. With the open arrowhead,
it means <br>
that the two hands move down together.<br>
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I propose these:<br>
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English_5 with hands moving toward the body<br>
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English_6 with the dominant hand grasping twice with a downward
motion<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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Stuart<br>
On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:26, CWren@doe.k12.ga.us wrote:<br>
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> We use several different variations here... the top 'open C'
hand <br>
> moving down twice onto the lower flat hand, the single pull pack with
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> both hands moving together: both are used, but more common is
sort of <br>
> a double shake... I had to sign it several times to figure out
that <br>
> it actually moves down and =forward= a little. Would I use the
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> diagonal plane symbols for that, or not because it could be understood
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> without them? Val. I like your variation. I can see both handshapes
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> clearly. If the grasp symbol is used, you wouldn't need the
surface <br>
> symbol, right? The 'old' spellings had the grasp symbol, but
they had <br>
> the two handshapes overlapping... that's why I thought the surface
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> symbol might be better in that instance.<br>
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> December 15, 2005<br>
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> Philippe in Iowa, USA, wrote:<br>
> I noticed the arrow seems not right since I don’t move my hand down
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> for English. I move my hand toward to myself. The first
English <br>
> spelling with correct arrow symbol is correct. Make sense?<br>
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> Hi Philip!<br>
> Great to get your feedback. Yes. You agree with our Deaf DAC <br>
> members...they wrote the first two signs in the attached diagram...the
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> second sign is another variation...it shows the right hand moving
down <br>
> twice onto the left hand...I have seen that variation in some parts
of <br>
> the US...but you are right that the first one seems to be the most
<br>
> commonly used...moving back towards the chest<br>
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> Cherie comes from Georgia...maybe in Georgia they move down with both
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> hands? smile...There are different ways that signs are signed...but
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> usually one writing starts to become the standard way to write the
<br>
> sign...For right now, we are writing different variations and placing
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> them in the SignPuddle...that way we can discuss the different <br>
> variations easily on the SignWriting List...<br>
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> Have you ever seen the second variation?<br>
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