<DIV id=RTEContent>Just for comparison. You'd be hard pressed to say that Brazilian sign language is not a written language with more than a dozen Web sites devoted to it, five dictionaries, an encyclopedia, and the backing of FENEIS (the Brazilian national association of the deaf) endorsing it, and having it taught in Sao Paulo, Porto Alegre, Pelotas, and Florianopolis schools for the deaf. <BR><BR><B><I>Adam Frost <icemandeaf@YAHOO.COM></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I totally agree with you about English. That is a very good point because people considered Enlish as a written language during the Middle Ages. It was the majority that was illiterate. So that is what it is, the majority of the deaf are illiterate in ASL. They may not be illiterate in English, but that doesn't mean the are skilled with English. ;-)<BR>Adam<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: "Valerie Sut!
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<SUTTON@SIGNWRITING.ORG><BR>Date: 01/26/06 07:05 PM<BR>To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>Cc: albert_bickford@sil.org<BR>Subject: Re: [sw-l] When are Sign Languages considered written languages?<BR><BR>SignWriting List<BR>January 26, 2006<BR><BR>Dear SW List Members:<BR><BR>Today, a native ASL Deaf signer wrote to ask this question...Is ASL <BR>really a written language yet?<BR><BR>That is an interesting question...How many people have to read and <BR>write a language, before the language can be called a written language?<BR><BR>And this question was then discussed very nicely on the Sign Language <BR>Linguists List today...smile...<BR><BR>Here are my thoughts on this topic...<BR><BR>When Sequoyah, the Cherokee Indian chief, wrote letters to his <BR>daughter in the symbols he invented, and she understood his messages, <BR>and they wrote back and forth...they were using a written language <BR>that no one else in their tribe used...over time, more and more <BR>people starte!
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the writing system....but even when it was only <BR>the two of them, it was still a written language...for them <BR>only...not for others who didn't want to write.<BR><BR>If there are only two people writing to each other in ASL, then for <BR>them, it is a written language...maybe others will never choose to <BR>read and write, and maybe it will change enormously in the next <BR>decade, or maybe no one will ever use it, or maybe it will become <BR>widespread...I have no idea...but I do know that there are some <BR>people writing to each other in ASL right now, and for those people, <BR>it is a written form...<BR><BR>I know of hundreds in the US and I know of thousands world wide who <BR>read and write signs daily...and so for a very few people...there is <BR>a writing system that is working and is being used as a part of their <BR>lives...<BR><BR>So when people say that ASL is not written, that is not accurate...It <BR>may be the truth for the majority, but the minority who!
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have <BR>a right to be acknowledged too...<BR><BR>So for me, a language can be a written language, even when only a few <BR>are reading and writing it...English was only written by the educated <BR>elite for centuries...Everyday people, in the Middle Ages, did not <BR>know how to write. But English was a written language in the Middle <BR>Ages, nonetheless, even though only a small group knew how to read <BR>and write...<BR><BR>My thoughts for today...smile...and I would love your feedback!<BR><BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR><BR>Valerie Sutton<BR>Sutton@SignWriting.org<BR><BR>Tech support by voice or video...<BR>Make an appointment by email ;-)<BR><BR>1. SignWriting<BR>http://www.SignWriting.org<BR>Read & Write Sign Languages<BR><BR>2. SignBank<BR>http://www.SignBank.org<BR>Sign Language Databases<BR><BR>3. SignPuddle<BR>http://www.SignBank.org/signpuddle<BR>Create & Share Signs Online & Offline<BR><BR>4. MovementWriting<BR>http://www.MovementWriting.org<BR>Read & Wr!
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