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<P>Hello Juliette and list,</P>
<P>I did notice such a problem with left and right hands too, but not very dramatic. The children have more problems with signs where the hands 'support each other' or 'work together' as it where. Then signs were the hands are next to each other.</P>
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<P>hands together hands next to each other</P>
<P>I did use lines for a while to seperate left and right more clearly, if you look in the word file I forwarded you'll see. If you work in detail in a sort of spelling lessons analysing each sign separate this could help, if the kids have to read fast... I'll have to do more research into that. I don't always make the lines anymore, because it takes a lot of time to make it.</P>
<P>Hope this helps ;)</P>
<P>hug Kathleen<BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Juliette Dalle" <july.tigre@free.fr></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</I><BR>To: <I>sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [sw-l] Left-Handed and Right-Handed in SW</I><BR>Date: <I>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:41:29 +0100</I><BR>>Hello Stefan, Neil, Valerie, Kathleen, Marty, and....<BR>><BR>>Thanks a lot for your comments, observations and thinkings. Only I <BR>>didn't developp the real problem. I will say you more after my <BR>>meeting with team of teachers with who I work since october and the <BR>>group of linguistics for who I work. We will discuss about it <BR>>tomorrow.<BR>><BR>>Only i can say you that we use the SW as a tool for the Sign <BR>>Language. Not as a written language. Because we don't know if theis <BR>>system will answer as a full
form writing for a sign language. <BR>>Indeed the linguistics want to find if in the SW there are many <BR>>informations about the iconity. In our LSF, the iconity, grammar, <BR>>the view and space-time are very important. So the SW could do it <BR>>all in a text ?<BR>><BR>>To the maternal school, we notice that the children (5 years) have a <BR>>little problem to know the left and right hand on a sign in SW. <BR>>Indeed we don't give a real lesson of SW (system) to children. We <BR>>give juste some signs in SW to children to see if they could <BR>>unterstand and we guide them to find the answer. It is this <BR>>situation, we notice the problem. So we have to create the same <BR>>signs in SW with color (Blue for right hand and Red for left hand). <BR>>It helps many the children to "catch" the sign without wrong. And in <BR>>this class (3 children
of 5 years), one is left-handed and 2 <BR>>right-handed. The left-handed child feels now to not be isoled <BR>>because of difference.<BR>><BR>>To the elemary school (6-10 years, supports : signes isoled and <BR>>texts in SW), with 2 classes, we have notice the same problem but <BR>>little with the classe of 6-7 years old, we use the color <BR>>left-right, the children unterstand better. In these classes (9 <BR>>children), 4 are left-handed. It is the first time this year that we <BR>>have many left-handed children.<BR>><BR>>Other problem (why it is a problem with the reft-right handed ?), we <BR>>think that it is provinced from different methode of perception : <BR>>lecture of a SW text and "lecture" of signing of the teacher (miror <BR>>/ crossing) :<BR>><BR>>- in the SW text, we see as a miror, as if we sign ourselves.<BR>>- when we
look the teacher to sign, we must think in "crossing" as <BR>>if we try to become in the place of the teacher.<BR>><BR>>It is a different perception. These 2 perceptions make a bit to <BR>>confuse the children who make to confuse the teachers who aren't so <BR>>strong in SW. I am always with them during the SW-LSF lessons.<BR>><BR>>It do us to create a method to read a SW text in the miror method. <BR>>It is the reason that we use the color Red-Blue. You can see the <BR>>exemple of this SW text (car story). In the general, the children <BR>>unterstand well the story without the color, but when the teacher <BR>>asks a thing very precisated, the problem appears.<BR>><BR>><BR>
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<P>><BR>><BR>>The children put the color on their hand : red/left, blue/right. <BR>>Same thing with the teacher. the children could unterstand the <BR>>difference. to the start it is hard, to the next lesson, a child <BR>>signs wrong and is corrected by other children who notice the wrong <BR>>without that the teacher says.<BR>><BR>><BR>>I would like that in the list SW, the teachers who give the Sign <BR>>Language Lesson with the SW, give their opinion, it is more <BR>>important for us. And others teachers who don't teach the SL or <BR>>aren't teachers are welcome too.<BR>><BR>>hugs<BR>><BR>>Juliette<BR>><BR>>Le vendredi, 20 jan 2006, à 09:32 Europe/Paris, Kasterlinden <BR>>Bilinguaal a écrit :<BR>><BR>>>Hello,<BR>>><BR>>>Maybe some of you already know but my colleagues and me made the
<BR>>>Goldilocks story 1 and 2 both in Right handed signs as in Left <BR>>>handed signs. Because whe have children at school who sign Left and <BR>>>the majority signs Right.<BR>>><BR>>>I also see the same as Marty, children using their left hand <BR>>>because they use the right hand to write. Strange thing is that the <BR>>>Left hand signers don't write with the Left hand, which would be <BR>>>expected.<BR>>><BR>>>I think children are able to read standard sentences in Right <BR>>>handed signing even when they have a dominant Left hand. It's when <BR>>>you get to the Polysynthetic Signs, it becomes complicated.<BR>>><BR>><image.tiff><BR>>><BR>>> I think we should observe if Right and Left dominant hand has an <BR>>>influence on the use of Polysynthetic
Sign.<BR>>><BR>>>Greetings Kathleen<BR>>><BR>>><BR>><image.tiff><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>From: "Marty Carlson" <marty_carlson@YAHOO.COM><BR>>>Reply-To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>>>To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>>>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Left-Handed and Right-Handed in SW<BR>>>Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:01:13 -0800 (PST)<BR>>> >I am new to this list, but I wanted to add a comment<BR>>> >to this L/R discussion. My observation of children I<BR>>> >have worked with who are begining to learn to write<BR>>> >signs is that more than half of the right-handers are<BR>>> >choosing to write left-handed signs. Why? Because they<BR>>> >are holding the pencil in their right hand, and<BR>>> >looking at
their left to figure out how to write it.<BR>>> >Maybe this will change as they become more fluent<BR>>> >writers, or if they use the computer to write, but I'm<BR>>> >finding it very common to do this with handwriting,<BR>>> >much more than I would have expected.<BR>>> >-Marty<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > But what about writing signs?...Do your left-handed<BR>>> > > students choose<BR>>> > > to write left-handed signs, writing exactly what<BR>>> > > they sign, or do<BR>>> > > they write right-handed signs with no problem<BR>>> > > switching from the way<BR>>> > > they sign to writing the opposite hand?<BR>>> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> > > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> ><BR>>>
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