<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Well, I originally asked about the mouthing
because I'm not sure about it... ::grin:: mmm and oo are pretty easy,
they are static, but for cha the mouth opens... I really don't understand
the difference between the rectangle open mouth and the oval open mouth,
and wrinkle versus double wrinkles...</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">These are my guesses, though:</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">cha </font><img src=cid:_1_044F73A8044F70D0006AB22285257122><font size=2 face="sans-serif">
or maybe </font><img src=cid:_1_044F858C044F70D0006AB22285257122>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">mmm </font><img src=cid:_1_044F7B20044F78B4006AB22285257122>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">oo </font><img src=cid:_1_044F82E8044F8054006AB22285257122>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Here is a rough attempt at 'Cheeva"
for the sign 'speech' </font><img src=cid:_1_06C8671406C85D5C006AB22285257122>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">a little awkward to use in a sign-spelling...
perhaps there should be a symbol that means chin/jaw-movement? Then
you could just use the middle face there and show that the jaw is moving
up and down? That would still not be completely research-accurate,
but it would be understandable?</font>
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February 27, 2006<br>
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Hello Steve and Cherie -<br>
Yes...all these can be written. Thank you, Cherie, for your sentence <br>
written in SEE in SignText...that was fun to read...writing ing at <br>
the end of sign...etc...<br>
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And yes, Cued Speech can be written in SignWriting if someone wants <br>
to ;-)<br>
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Anything that moves can be written...smile...<br>
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In Denmark, they use another system called the Mund-Haand-System, <br>
which means the Mouth-Hand-System...it can be compared to Cued <br>
Speech, although it existed long before Cued Speech...The Mund-Haand- <br>
System was a way to bring in foreign words into Danish signing...so <br>
now they have some signs that stem from the old Mund-Haand- <br>
System...and they are written in SignWriting in their documents in <br>
Denmark...smile...<br>
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Val ;-)<br>
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On Feb 27, 2006, at 6:34 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:<br>
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> Another interesting system to include in this discussion might be
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> Cued Speech.<br>
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> Cued Speech doesn't pretend to be a sign language. It is lip
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> reading with primitive hand gestures to remove the guessing and <br>
> confusion associated with lip reading. It uses 8 hand shapes
with <br>
> 4 locations to represent the sounds of speech.<br>
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> I think it would be really interesting to see Cued Speech written
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> in SignWriting: mouth movements with visual cues.<br>
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> -Steve<br>
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> CWren@doe.k12.ga.us wrote:<br>
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>> SEE is a system that tries to include every _unit of meaning in
<br>
>> English_ into manual form initialized with the first letter of
the <br>
>> word as much as possible. So the sentence "I am going
home" would <br>
>> have 5 signs, including a separate sign for "-ing".
I used to <br>
>> work with a lady who used this system. "Thanksgiving"
--one sign <br>
>> in ASL-- would be 4 signs in SEE= Thank, s, give, ing. Its
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>> impossible to use at normal conversational speeds, and <br>
>> ridiculously silly the way they mangle some signs. I'll
try to do <br>
>> a true SEE sentence soon, and send it to ya'll. Signs are
based <br>
>> on the out of three rule. If a word is spelled the
same and <br>
>> pronounced the same then it is signed the same regardless of <br>
>> meaning. So, I have a run in my hose, I want to run for
<br>
>> president, and my nose is running would all use the same sign
for <br>
>> run.<br>
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>> There are a ton of other signed English code systems that try
to <br>
>> manually represent English, and SEE is not the worst, although
its <br>
>> close. THey were designed to teach Deaf kids English, but have
<br>
>> been usurped and people are trying to use them instead of a true
<br>
>> language. So the kid sees nothing but these codes all day
every <br>
>> day...<br>
>> CASE is true ASL signs, used in English word order. Some
people <br>
>> who use this system will structure, some won't. Many don't
<br>
>> realize that what they are signing doesn't make visual sense...
<br>
>> (I teach staff here at the school a class designed to help them
<br>
>> understand there is such a thing as 'visual sense' )<br>
>><br>
>> PSE is also called contact language. Its what is generally
used <br>
>> when hearing and Deaf come together. Deaf folks move to
more <br>
>> English word order to accomodate the hearing person, and the <br>
>> hearing person moves to more ASL-like signing --if they are able
<br>
>> to. BIG IF-- to accomodate the deaf. Usually the deaf person
ends <br>
>> up doing more accomodation than the hearing person...<br>
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>> cherie<br>
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>> Cherie Wren<br>
>> GSD Staff Interpreter<br>
>> 232 Perry Farm Rd<br>
>> Cave Spring, GA 30124<br>
>> 706-777-2328<br>
>> 706-766-0766 Cell<br>
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>> I am not that good with writing the mouthing, but it is "It
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>> PS The restructuring is allowed for CASE because the English would
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