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<P>That is making a lot more since to me know. Row 5 and 6 were confusing, but it is better now. ;-) Here's a question. The middle face on row 5 and 6 are the same??? Row 5's would be a wrinkle on the face while row 6's is tense. So would that mean that IF there was a difference, one could make a mix and match? Oval with wrinkles and another oval tense; Rectangle with wrinkles and another rectangle tense? And could the same be done with the up right oval and rectangle, ie up right oval with wrinkles and another up right oval tense; up right rectangle with wrinkles and another up right rectangle tense? Not that it would need to be, but I have found that if I play with symbols like that, then I get a better feel for them. So, are all those workable, or am I understanding something wrong?</P>
<P>MMM ... Row 9 ... It looks like it would be sucking your lips in. Both, then top and bottom. Or is it bottom and top? That is my best guess.</P>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"Valerie Sutton" <sutton@signwriting.org></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</I><BR>To: <I>sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [sw-l] MOUTH Cheeva and Cha</I><BR>Date: <I>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:07:43 -0800</I><BR>>>4th row:<BR>>><BR>>>Open round mouth<BR>>><BR>>>Open round mouth put forward<BR>>><BR>>>Open round tight mouth?<BR>>><BR>>>Adam<BR>><BR>>---------------<BR>><BR>>Yes! Exactly. 4th row, last one, is oftentimes used for the sign for <BR>> WHO in ASL...like oo...wrinkles around the open mouth requires <BR>>some tension, or tight as you say...<BR>><BR>>5th row are the Oval mouths...side to side, with a little tension, <BR>>and a yawn mouth...<BR>><BR>>6th
row I know is a little weird, but they are similar to the oval <BR>>mouths, but rectangular...it is just another choice of symbol that <BR>>can be applied when you need to differentiate between different open <BR>> mouth positions...some people can really do an oval versus a <BR>>rectangle...and some cannot physically make their mouth look that <BR>>different...but the point of these symbols is to help us decide on <BR>>some common ways of writing certain commonly used mouth <BR>>positions...Stefan used all these symbols, plus a few additional <BR>>ones, to specifically decide...this is the way we are going to write <BR>> this...but we have not done that kind of research or decision <BR>>making in the US yet, but we could, if you feel it is a good
<BR>>idea...for example, we could say that when writing ASL, the oo <BR>>mouth position will always be the 4th row down far right...like <BR>>WHO...<BR>><BR>>The 7th row down are the KISS mouths...simple Kiss, then Kiss with <BR>>lips pushed more forward, and then a tight Kiss with wrinkles around <BR>> the mouth...<BR>><BR>>The next row are Tense Lips pressed together, tense lips pressed <BR>>together and forward and tense lips pressed together and sucked <BR>>back....<BR>><BR>>Does all this make sense, Adam?<BR>><BR>>What does the ninth row down represent?...<BR>><BR>><BR>
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