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Hi Philip,<br>
<br>
This is a complicated topic that only affects the ASL and German
puddles. The short answer is that not all signs can be loaded into
SignText. If you see a questions mark, then the sign is something
called an image only sign.<br>
<br>
Image Only Signs<br>
------------------<br>
Image only signs are image files with a gloss label. Nothing more.
These signs can not be loaded into SignMaker or SignText.<br>
<br>
Signs created with SignPuddle<br>
----------------------------<br>
These signs have a build file. The build file contains all of the
information needed to recreate the sign. It contains the SSS id
numbers along with XY coordinates.<br>
<br>
<br>
History and Explanation<br>
------------------------<br>
A long time ago, SignPuddle only used images of signs that were
uploaded. I created the first ASL SignPuddle dictionary with about
2000 image files. Later, I created SignMaker so that signs could be
created online with the actual symbol information included.<br>
<br>
If you go to the Dictionary Editors screen and search for "help", you
will see the following.<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:part1.04070807.01010202@signpuddle.net" alt=""><br>
<br>
This is a sign that was created in SignMaker. You can look at the
build file if you're interested.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-US/dict/sl/help.bld">http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-US/dict/sl/help.bld</a><br>
<br>
And then there are the graphic only signs...<br>
<img src="cid:part2.04030004.00070304@signpuddle.net" alt=""><br>
<br>
This is a graphic only sign. The only file is the graphic file. It
does not have a build file.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-US/dict/sl/help_10.png">http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-US/dict/sl/help_10.png</a><br>
<br>
A long time ago we debated if we should delete the image only signs.
We decided against it because we didn't want to shrink the dictionary.<br>
<br>
I am working on fingerspelling and will report to the list later.<br>
<br>
Sorry for the confusion,<br>
Thanks for your time,<br>
-Steve<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Gallant, Philippe wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Ok, thank
you for the tip. I
did put all the words together at the translate window and load to Sign
Text
and pressed refresh button several times. I still get many question
marks. Here is the words that I am using for sign text, it is part of
my
survey questions and not completed sentence yet. I just want you to
test it
yourself. You can copy this and put on translate window…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">me
cl-list-throw why people area-right
not-yet go-ahead HIV test_3, what priority_3 reason you not go-ahead
HIV
test_3, me have HIV doubt, paranoid scared HIV have, me obsess_2
imagination
know if_4 me HIV me do-not-want, HIV test_3 where_3 me do-not-know,
HIV
test_3 have me do-not-know, me paranoid imagination have HIV my name
inform
government, me paranoid worry me finish HIV test_3 rumor, me want HIV
test none
interpreter, other reason, none reason.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Did you get
many question marks when you
load to sign text? In this case, we need to make corrections on image
signs and fix the fingerspelling in Sign Text. Hope this helps…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font color="red" face="Arial" size="4"><span
style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: red;">Philippe
"Philip" Gallant</span></font><font color="navy"><span
style="color: navy;"><br>
</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Cultural
Advocacy Health Services Coordinator</span></font><font color="navy"><span
style="color: navy;"><br>
</span></font><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><font
color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Mercy</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font
color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Medical</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><font
color="navy"><span style="color: navy;"><br>
</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Interpretation
Services Department</span></font><font color="navy"><span
style="color: navy;"> <br>
</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">
VOICE: (866) 410-5787 ext. 73013</span></font><font color="navy"><span
style="color: navy;"><br>
</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">
TTY: (515) 643-SIGN (7446)</span></font><font color="navy"><span
style="color: navy;"><br>
</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">
FAX: (515) 643-2859<br>
VIDEOPHONE: pgallant.mercydesmoines.org</span></font><font color="navy"><span
style="color: navy;"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font
color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Slevinski<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March
08, 2006
11:25 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [sw-l]
Load Signs
from SignPuddle into SignText</span></font><font color="black"><span
style="color: windowtext;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi Philip,<br>
<br>
You need to use the text editing buttons. There are 9 for each sign.<br>
<img id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part3.06060302.00030807@signpuddle.net" height="51" width="50"><br>
<br>
The 2 that you want are <img id="_x0000_i1026"
src="cid:part4.04010206.08050009@signpuddle.net" height="12" width="11">(Load)
and <img id="_x0000_i1027"
src="cid:part5.09000601.08000902@signpuddle.net" height="12" width="12">(Replace).<br>
<br>
<img id="_x0000_i1028"
src="cid:part4.04010206.08050009@signpuddle.net" height="12" width="11">(Load)
will load the selected sign
into the SignBox.<br>
<br>
<img id="_x0000_i1029"
src="cid:part5.09000601.08000902@signpuddle.net" height="12" width="12">(Replace)
will replace the selected
sign with the sign in the SignBox.<br>
<br>
<br>
So let's say you want to modify a sign in your text. This is a 3 step
process. <br>
1) Load the sign by clicking on <img id="_x0000_i1030"
src="cid:part4.04010206.08050009@signpuddle.net" height="12" width="11">(Load).<br>
2) Modify the sign in the SignBox.<br>
3) Replace the sign by clicking on <img id="_x0000_i1031"
src="cid:part5.09000601.08000902@signpuddle.net" height="12" width="12">(Replace).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
<br>
<br>
Gallant, Philippe wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre wrap=""><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">OK, how can I take the specific signs from the sign text and make<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">modification and then put it back on the same spot of the sign text (not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">place at the end of the sentence)? I am sorry if it is already explain<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">in the manual that I overlooked.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Philippe "Philip" Gallant<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Cultural Advocacy Health Services Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><font color="black"
face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Mercy</span></font></st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Medical</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Interpretation Services Department<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> VOICE: (866) 410-5787 ext. 73013<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> TTY: (515) 643-SIGN (7446)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> FAX: (515) 643-2859<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">VIDEOPHONE: pgallant.mercydesmoines.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">From: <a
href="mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">[<a
href="mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Valerie Sutton<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:05 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">To: <a
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [sw-l] Load Signs from SignPuddle into SignText<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">March 7, 2006<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Load Signs from SignPuddle Dictionaries continued...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">7. The signs will load into the sentence column in SignText Editor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">8. Press the Reload Button once to see the signs loaded into SignText.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font color="black" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">9. Once the signs are in SignText, you can create a sentence with them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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