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I'm a bit confused by equating the Roman alphabet to SignWriting. The
Roman alphabet is a sequence of ordered symbols. SignWriting is a
system for writing signed languages. I think the Roman alphabet is
similar to the IMWA. And I think that SignWriting is similar to what
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I understand what Val means. The
Roman alphabet is a system of symbols that can write several different
languages. Not all of them, but a good number of them. SignWriting
is a system of symbols that writes signed languages. The IMWA is
a bigger thing that writes more than just signed languages, it writes any
and all movement. Just like the international phonetic alphabet can
write sounds, not just those in the certain subset of languages written
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">What happens in English class... I
take it you mean the writing part? Not the "this is a noun,
this is a verb" part? ::smile:: In English class they
teach you how to put letters into words, then words into sentences, sentences
into paragraphs/essays/etc... That would be SignText, not SignWriting.
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<br><font size=3>Hi Val,<br>
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Thanks for starting a message on terminology. I'm not using the terminology
correctly, so this is very helpful.<br>
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I'm a bit confused by equating the roman alphabet to SignWriting. The
roman alphabet is a sequence of ordered symbols. SignWriting is a
system for writing signed languages. I think the roman alphabet is
similar to the IMWA. And I think that SignWriting is similar to what
is taught in English class.<br>
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I'm confused by what SignSpelling actually means. Is SignSpelling
what you use, what you do, or what you get? Is SignSpelling for writing
or sorting? I thought that SignSpelling was a subset of SignWriting
that encompasses how to write sign and how to sequentially list the symbols
in a sign for sorting.<br>
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The word spelling has 2 definitions. 1) The act of the person who
spells a word. 2) The way a word is spelled. It seems to me
that SignSpelling is the system of rules that a person uses while he is
spelling(1) a sign which results in a spelling(2) of a sign. Spelling
is both his action(1) and his result(2), but he uses the rules of SignSpelling
for guidance while he works. <br>
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Many definitions of "spell" mention the sequential order of the
letters, but that is because of cultural bias. The word spell comes
from older words that mean "to talk" or "to relate".<br>
Middle English <i>spellen</i><br>
Old French <i>espeller</i><br>
Old English <i>spellian</i><br>
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It is interesting to note that "gospel" is derived from "good
talk".<br>
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If I was reading a document, I would hope that the words (or signs) were
spelled correctly. With most spoken languages, a word's spelling
is used for sorting because words are spelled sequentially. However,
the symbols in a signs do not appear sequentially, but in 2 dimensional
space. I consider this 2 dimensional representation of a sign to
be the sign's spelling. If we had a Sign Spelling Bee, the contestants
would watch a person perform a sign and would probably use a blackboard
to write the sign.<br>
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But this brings us to the question of how to sort signs in a dictionary.
We need a way to write the symbols of a sign in a sequential order.
The SignSpelling Guidelines 2004 is a great reference for this (</font><a href="http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0145-SignSpelling-2004.pdf"><font size=3 color=blue><u>http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0145-SignSpelling-2004.pdf</u></font></a><font size=3>).
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And that's why I was using the terms spelling and sequence when talking
about a sign. A sign's spelling is what you would find in a sign
language text. A sign's sequence (or sort order) is a list of a sign's
symbols that can be used for sorting.<br>
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-Steve<br>
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Valerie Sutton wrote: </font>
<br><font size=3>SignWriting List <br>
March 21, 2006 <br>
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Dear SW List Members! <br>
Recently someone asked me to explain SignWriting Terminology (the English
words I use to describe different aspects of SignWriting). <br>
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So I will create a chart of the terms I use in English. I hope we can translate
these terms into other spoken languages later. <br>
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Here is a beginning...More will be coming later...continued next message...
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