<div>Thanks a BUNCH.</div> <div> </div> <div>Charles<BR><BR><B><I>Steve Slevinski <slevin@signpuddle.net></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi Charles,<BR><BR>SignPuddle 2.0 also has the SignSpelling Sequence available. I've <BR>created a dictionary for you to use and loaded it with 136 signs from <BR>the SignPuddle 1.0 dictionary.<BR><BR>I'll send you an invitation to become an editor for this dictionary to <BR>you can add the SignSpelling Sequences for the signs I added.<BR>http://www.signpuddle.org/dictionary/sgn-BR<BR><BR>-Steve<BR><BR><BR>Charles Butler wrote:<BR>> Just went through the Guidance on 2004 and it is clear and very well <BR>> matched to what I have. I just need to get my stuff on SignBank.<BR>> <BR>> Charles<BR>><BR>><BR>> */Charles Butler <CHAZZER3332000@YAHOO.COM>/* wrote:<BR>><BR>> I've got to go through the signs on the Brazil!
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SignPuddle and<BR>> ensure that none of them are pure graphics (about 1/3 of them<BR>> are). I wouldn't mind if Steve simply removed the<BR>> graphics/non-SWML them and I started over. I tried to get them<BR>> all at one point but failed miserably in reconstruction. I've got<BR>> to reload a lot of them. I tried, at one point, to ensure that I<BR>> had at least one sign per handshape to make it a good start but<BR>> haven't had the time (working two jobs).<BR>> <BR>> Charles<BR>><BR>><BR>> */Valerie Sutton <SUTTON@SIGNWRITING.ORG>/* wrote:<BR>><BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> March 21, 2006<BR>><BR>> Hello Charles and Everyone!<BR>> Many thanks for this question, Charles!<BR>><BR>> I know you hav! e an excellent dictionary and did so much hard<BR>> work. Everything you mention below can be done in SignBank. So<BR>> whenever you feel ready, I can teach you how to add your signs<BR>> to SignBank, from SignPuddle.!
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have the signs added to<BR>> SignBank, in the SignBank Editor program you will tell the<BR>> program what symbols within each sign, you want to sort first,<BR>> second or third...that is called a SignSpelling<BR>> Sequence...there is a Spelling column and you tell the program<BR>> which handshape starts the sign etc etc...and everything is<BR>> placed in a sequence as you mention below...the cont! acts,<BR>> the location, the depth, the height...if you feel you need all<BR>> that detail you can place it in there, or you can choose a<BR>> very simple Spelling sequence...then once you have saved all<BR>> the SignSpelling sequence-data in SignBank, you can then sort<BR>> dictionaries by either the Roman alphabet or the<BR>> Sign-Symbol-Sequence...and so you can print vocabulary lists<BR>> or complete dictionaries, in a completely bi-lingua! l or<BR>> multi-lingual way...so it is a flexible tool and you tell it<BR>> what you
want...<BR>><BR>> Do you have some signs ready? Do you want to start to add them<BR>> to SignBank now?<BR>><BR>> Val ;-)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Charles Butler wrote:<BR>><BR>>> I asked the same question Steve as I am sorting for a<BR>>> multilingual dictionary in ASL, Libras, English, and Portuguese.<BR>> <BR>> I started with my corpus of 750 signs and began to sort them<BR>> using the Sign Writing for Everyday Use as a guide, and<BR>> Valerie's article as part of the process. In so doing, we<BR>> will need:<BR>> <BR>> 1) A set order of handshapes withi! n the basic 10 groupings.<BR>> 2) A set order of orientations within the basic 6<BR>> 3) A set order of rotations within the basic 8.<BR>> 4) A set order of contacts<BR>> 5) A set order of movements<BR>> 6) A set order of spatial locations<BR>> 7) A set order of body contacts<BR>> 8) A set order of facial
expressions<BR>> <BR>> And imbedded in the above, what one does with two hands in a<BR>> sign, presumably start with the dominant hand, sort through<BR>> the above, add the second hand, and sort through the abov!<BR>> e. ! I did that with my corpus of 750 and was able to get down<BR>> to granular between the sign "confusao" and "complicado" where<BR>> the only differences are intensity and speed. In my<BR>> dictionary, I placed smooth before quick, but others might do<BR>> differently. <BR>> <BR>> complicadocomplicado confusãoconfusao<BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>> */Steve Slevinski <SLEVIN@SIGNPUDDLE.NET<BR>> <mailto:slevin@signpuddle.net>>/* wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hi Val,<BR>><BR>> Thanks for starting a message on terminology. I'm not<BR>> using the<BR>> terminology correctly, so this is very helpful.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I'm a bit confused by equating the roman alphabet to<BR>> SignWriting. The<BR>> ro!
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alphabet! is a sequence of ordered symbols.<BR>> SignWriting is a<BR>> system for writing signed languages. I think the roman<BR>> alphabet is<BR>> similar to the IMWA. And I think that SignWriting is<BR>> similar to what is<BR>> taught in English class.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I'm confused by what SignSpelling actually means. Is<BR>> SignSpelling what<BR>> you use, what you do, or w! hat you get? Is SignSpelling<BR>> for writing or<BR>> sorting? I thought that SignSpelling was a subset of<BR>> SignWriting that<BR>> encompasses how to write sign and how to sequentially list<BR>> the symbols<BR>> in a sign for sorting.<BR>><BR>> The word spelling has 2 definitions. 1) The act of the<BR>> person who<BR>> spells a word. 2) The way a word is spelled. It seems to<BR>> me that<BR>> SignSpelling is the system of rules that a person uses<BR>> while he is<BR>> spelling(1) a sign which results in a spel!
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of a<BR>> sign. Spelling<BR>> is both his action(1) and his result(2), but he uses the<BR>> rules of<BR>> SignSpelling for guid! ance while he works.<BR>><BR>> Many definition! s of "spell" mention the sequential order<BR>> of the letters,<BR>> but that is because of cultural bias. The word spell comes<BR>> from older<BR>> words that mean "to talk" or "to relate".<BR>> Middle English /spellen<BR>> /Old French /espeller/<BR>> Old English /spellian/<BR>><BR>> It is interesting to note that "gospel" is derived from<BR>> "good talk".<BR>><BR>> If I was! reading a document, I would hope that the words<BR>> (or signs) were<BR>> spelled correctly. With most spoken languages, a word's<BR>> spelling is<BR>> used for sorting because words are spelled sequentially.<BR>> However, the<BR>> symbols in a signs do not appear sequentially, but in 2<BR>> dimensional<BR>> space. I consider this 2 dimensional represe!
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of a<BR>> sign to be the<BR>> sign's spelling. If we had a Sign Spelling Bee, the<BR>> contestants would<BR>> watch a person perform a sign and would probably use a<BR>> blackboard to<BR>> write the sign.<BR>><BR>> But this brings us to the question of how to sort signs in a<BR>> dictionary. We need a way to write the symbols ! of a sign<BR>> in a<BR>> sequential order. The SignSpelling Guidelines 2004 is a<BR>> great reference<BR>> for this<BR>> (http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0145-SignSpelling-2004.pdf).<BR>><BR>> And that's why I was using the terms spelling and sequence<BR>> when talking<BR>> ab! out a sign. A sign's spelling is what you would find<BR>> in a sign<BR>> language text. A sign's sequence (or sort order) is a list<BR>> of a sign's<BR>> symbols that can be used for sorting.<BR>><BR>> -Steve<BR>><BR>><BR>> Valerie Sutton wrote:<BR>> > SignWriting List<BR>> >!
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21, 2006<BR>> ><BR>> > Dear SW List Members!<BR>> > Recently someone asked me to explain SignWriting<BR>> Terminology (the<BR>> > English words I use to describe different aspects of<BR>> SignWriting).<BR>> ><BR>> > So I will create a chart of the terms I use in English.<BR>> I hope we can<BR>> > translate these terms int! o other spoken languages later.<BR>> ><BR>> > Here is a beginning...More will be coming<BR>> later...continued next<BR>> > message...<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > No virus found in th! is incoming message.<BR>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR>> > Version: 7.1.38!
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