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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>here is another way to
write deaf ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>a deaf woman performed it
this way ... the movement indicates some of the proud of saying : YES, I am Deaf
!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Steve Slevinski</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Sonntag, 16. April 2006
03:49<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [sw-l] Request for
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Stuart,<br>
<br>
I disagree that the ASL sign for "deaf" is simple to write.
There are several varying standards to use when writing it and there are issues
with sorting.<br>
<br>
Deaf in ASL<br>
<img width=88 height=53 id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:image002.jpg@01C6614C.735580F0"><br>
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deaf by oralists. Just kidding. But it's amazing what facial
expression can do.<br>
<img width=88 height=53 id="_x0000_i1026"
src="cid:image003.jpg@01C6614C.735580F0"><br>
<br>
Facial touching is very important, especially when sorting. Let's
indicate the first point of contact with a head location touch symbol.
We'll take out the facial expression for a cleaner picture.<br>
<img width=88 height=53 id="_x0000_i1027"
src="cid:image004.jpg@01C6614C.735580F0"><br>
<br>
However, the location marker already denotes a touch, so let's remove the first
contact symbol.<br>
<img width=88 height=53 id="_x0000_i1028"
src="cid:image005.jpg@01C6614C.735580F0"><br>
<br>
And we could just use contact locations without the contact symbol.<br>
<img width=88 height=47 id="_x0000_i1029"
src="cid:image006.jpg@01C6614C.735580F0"><br>
<br>
Even more complicated in the SignSpelling Sequence for each? Do we ever
need to identify the motion?<br>
<br>
I think all of these spellings ideas are being used somewhere in the
world. I think Val can tell you who does what.<br>
<br>
I do not think "deaf" is a simple sign to write (or sort).. <br>
<br>
For what it's worth,<br>
-Steve<br>
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stuart Thiessen</st1:PersonName> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Please note comments below ....<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 4/15/06, Valerie Sutton <a
href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org"><sutton@signwriting.org></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>SignWriting List<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>April 15, 2006<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Stuart Thiessen</span></font></st1:PersonName> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am doing some research related to SignWriting for my MA degree and I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>am wondering if any of you would be willing to help me out with<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>gathering some data. Part of what I want to do is study the way that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>we compose and decompose SW to represent specific signs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>5 signs: easy to write in SW.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hello Stuart!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Great to hear from you again...Your Master's Degree thesis sounds<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>really interesting...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>What is easy and what is hard, usually depends on a signwriter's<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>skill...there are different perspectives...is this from the student's<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>point of view? Or from a skilled signer's point of view?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am looking for the user's point of view. Obviously, this will differ<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>from individual to individual based on their experience both with the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>sign language itself and SW.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>When you ask "easy to write?"<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>do you mean the physical issues of writing by hand versus computer?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>or do you mean what is easy to read? (no physical writing involved)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>just what is clear to read instantaneously?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>or do you mean what is clean in the invention, with no exceptions, so<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>it is easy to write because the writer has easy and consistent rules<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to follow?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thank you for the question for clarification. I am not really looking<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>for "simple" signs. I am looking for signs which are easily written<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>because it is clear from the rules how to write it. For example, the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ASL sign DEAF is an easy sign because the rules are very clear on how<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to write that particular sign. It is unlikely that we would differ ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>much ... in how we write that sign. Preferably the 5 example easy<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>signs should at least have some contact and/or movement involved in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the sign. The signs themselves may be very complex, but the way to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>write it is clearly defined for the writer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The other 20 example signs I am asking for involve more complexity in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>how we would write it. It may be an issue of the rules being unclear<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>or an issue of the number of symbols or the placement of symbols in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>order to transcribe that sign. I am assuming that these particular<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>signs will likely come up only in actual usage rather than dictionary<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>forms. For example, AIRPLANE-FLYING as a classifier is probably a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>pretty easy sign to write, but to write AIRPLANE-LANDING might be a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>little less easy. Or AIRPLANE-FLYING-OVER-LAND is probably more<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>difficult than AIRPLANE-FLYING. (I haven't had a chance to see if<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>these are in the ASL SignPuddle or not, but if they are not, I will<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>add them on Monday so you can see what I mean.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I realize some of this I could do through a check of the SignPuddles,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>but I am also interested in seeing what the users consider to be<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>difficult signs. Perhaps I might not see it as difficult but someone<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>else might feel that way. I still would like to see that perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>That perspective is something I wouldn't get if I just went through<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the dictionaries myself.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If you would rather just send me a page or so of SW text that you have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>already written with some signs circled to let me know which ones were<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>challenging and which ones were not, that is fine also. The more data<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I can get, the better for my research.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Stuart Thiessen</span></font></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Des Moines, IA<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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