<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><DIV><DIV>Stuart wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="">Anyway, I wanted to suggest this alternative in the spelling like in </DIV><DIV style="">the attached image. This keeps the handshapes apart. With the ending </DIV><DIV style="">position, I don't know if we need athe twist on the arrow since the </DIV><DIV style="">change in handshape already indicates that. Also, I think the surface </DIV><DIV style="">symbol is useful here to show both hands, but you still know they are </DIV><DIV style="">on top of each other. Finally, I sense more of a ending rub than an </DIV><DIV style="">ending touch, so I replaced the touch with a rub. What do you think? I </DIV><DIV style="">thought this might help to keep the emphasis of the individual within a </DIV><DIV style="">group that the sign is clearly emphasizing.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 21, 2006, at 11:39 AM, <A href="mailto:CWren@doe.k12.ga.us">CWren@doe.k12.ga.us</A> wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000080" face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px;">As to the surface symbol-- I asked about that one a long time ago, in regards to the sign "English," which I couldn't make sense of in something I was reading, because the handshapes were on top of each other. At that time, I was told that the surface symbol was pretty much used only in research, not in everyday writing. So I have avoided it ever since. You are confusing me now... ::holds head and whines:: <BR></SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="3"></FONT><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Very interesting discussion. Glad the List is posting again!<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Regarding the Surface Symbol...you are both right!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It adds a lot of good detailed information. But it is also advanced and was definitely considered for research for a long time. We memorized the way the sign for English was spelled, without the Surface Symbol, and we read that sign just fine. But I can see why it is hard to read too...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So when I read your sign for MAINSTEAM, Cherie, I didn't even realize that the under hand was an index finger extended...I read it as a fist because I could not see the index finger...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So I do not know if the Surface Symbols should be used for everday use or not...I think if we can find other ways to show it visually then that is better, but Stuart's writing is accurate! So I guess we should relax about the Surface Symbol...if you feel it is needed sometimes, go ahead and use it!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>smile</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>so let's place both ways in SignPuddle for now...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Val ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>