That is true. I do prefer the Heel a lot more.<br><br>And I have to agree, I have yet to really find a time when it is truly nessasary to have this much detail, but it is nice to know about it. ;-)<br><br>Adam<br><br><div>
<span class="gmail_quote">On 12/1/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Valerie Sutton</b> <<a href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com">signwriting@mac.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
SignWriting List<br>December 1, 2006<br><br>Everyone -<br><br>First, the detail in this symbol is not necessary when writing<br>SignWriting for everyday use. I am convinced of that. For research<br>use, it is good to have the symbol, but I personally never use it
<br>when writing everyday...the shading is too hard for handwriting...and<br>even when reading, you have to think about it a minute, and that is<br>not good for everyday reading...<br><br>Second, there is another detailed symbol that I prefer, that has not
<br>been mentioned here...but again...I would not use it for everyday<br>use. I never explained this second symbol well enough for people to<br>understand it..I know if you understood it, you would like it better<br>than the one we have been discussing, but I have to find a way to
<br>explain this second symbol better...<br><br>You know this second symbol, Adam...it is what I call the Heel of the<br>Hand. Like looking at the Heel of the Foot....but the Heel of the<br>Hand symbol is the view of the wrists...with the rest of the hand
<br>hiding behind the wrists...and then you place markers on the symbol<br>that tell you what the actual handshape itself is...but you are only<br>looking at the heel of the wrist, so you can see the half-angle of<br>the hand...It really works if you understand the logic behind it -
<br>but again, it is not necessary either...we are writing well with what<br>we are using now...<br><br>So I will write that second handshape next message..<br><br>Meanwhile Ron, you don't have to use these detailed symbols - they
<br>are for research and are not good for writing the Bible - they are<br>too hard for the everyday reader.... Val ;-)<br><br><br>On Dec 1, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Adam Frost wrote:<br><br>> Well Rev,<br>> I think you hit on why this palm point of view has not been used that
<br>> much. It is really complex. I used to wonder the same thing; why not<br>> make the handshape thinner; why not make the handshape "angular" as<br>> done in perpective drawing; or why not even make it so that the black
<br>> is "1/4" of the hand. But then I realized that because technology at<br>> the time of the development of the symbols was very limited, and it<br>> still is in the sense of what we need for SW. All of thoes questions
<br>> are good, but the problem is that the handshaps will look like other<br>> handshape, ie the hindge hand. So considering that and trying to make<br>> reading at most ease, the best thing would be to make the black area
<br>> 1/4. The thing to remember is that this isn't really needed much, and<br>> nature of the complexitity of the angle with make the handshape<br>> complex and therefore more advance. The concept is a little abstract,
<br>> but it is still simple to understand. I hope this helped.<br>> Adam<br>><br>> On 12/1/06, Ronald Dettloff <<a href="mailto:signpreach@sbcglobal.net">signpreach@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br>>> Okay, I looked at the pages but it seems to me that I am only
<br>>> seeing white,<br>>> the back part of my hands are unseen. Here is a suggestion: In the<br>>> sign for<br>>> boat the part of the hand furthest from the eyes and touching the<br>>> other hand
<br>>> could be shaded or their might me a way to move the "b" hand to<br>>> appear<br>>> "skinnier" than when it is fully flat?<br>>><br>>> Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">
signwriting@MAC.COM</a>> wrote: SignWriting List<br>>> November 30, 2006<br>>><br>>> You know, those handshapes are rarely used...<br>>><br>>> But Stuart, you are correct that when there is more white in the
<br>>> symbol, you are seeing more of the palm of the hand, and when there<br>>> is more black, you are seeing more of the back of the hand.<br>>><br>>> So in the sign for BOAT, you are seeing more of the palm. I have now
<br>>> added my version to the US SignPuddle:<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Has this answered your question, Stuart?<br>>><br>>><br>>> Val ;-)<br>>><br>>><br>>> Rev. Ronald H. Dettloff, 20880 Ten Mile Road, St. Clair Shores, MI
<br>>> 48080<br>>> Other Web links:<br>>> <a href="http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp">http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>
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