<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">That clears it up for me, thanks.<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Valerie Sutton <signwriting@MAC.COM><br>To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>Sent: Friday, December 8, 2006 1:16:33 PM<br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Detailed Writing: Heel of Hand<br><br><div>SignWriting List<br>December 8, 2006<br><br>Hello Everyone, and Adam and Jason -<br>Thank you for these messages...my answer is below...<br><br>--------<br><br>On Dec 6, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Adam Frost wrote:<br>> Jason,<br>> I am not sure that I know what you are refering to. But from what I<br>> can tell, it seems that you are asking if signs are at eye level or<br>> not. All of
the signs that have been dicussed are not at eye level,<br>> but in neutral space. If the signs were at eye level, the head would<br>> be placed to show where the sign is in relations to the eye. I hope<br>> this answers you question. If not, please ask for clearification.<br>> Adam<br>><br>> On 12/5/06, Jason Hopkins <codenosher@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>>> I'm curious about these. The one on the bottom makes me think I'm <br>>> signing<br>>> at eye level since I'm looking at the heels of my hands. The <br>>> other seems to<br>>> be a table that is signed in a lower space. Is that what I'm <br>>> suppose to be<br>>> seeing?<br><br>----------<br><br>I believe I understand Jason's question. It is related to how we see <br>planes and palm facing....<br><br>First, it is true that the actual design of the Heel of Hand
symbol, <br>is based on the idea, that at eye-level, the fingers of the Flat Hand <br>projecting forward, are hiding behind the Heel of the Hand (the view <br>of the wrist), when at eye level.<br><br>Second, it is true that the actual design of the Top View, is based <br>on the idea, that when looking down at your own hands, you are <br>viewing the palm facing from above...the break in the symbol shows <br>where the hand is hitting the horizon...<br><br>But that is just for the general design of the symbol...<br><br>Once the symbol is established, then it relates to planes.<br><br>A good example of this is the sign for MY in ASL. Technically, when <br>the palm of the Flat Hand touches the chest, if you were to look down <br>at your hand, you would see the Top View of the side of the <br>hand...and that would not be wrong, but it is not the standard way
of <br>writing the sign for MY.<br><br>The standard way of writing MY, is with the white palm and a contact <br>symbol showing contact with the chest. If you were to look at the <br>handshape from far away from the chest you would see the white palm, <br>and as the hand gets closer and closer to the chest, it is still the <br>white palm, including when it touches the chest, because it is on the <br>same Front View Plane...no matter how far or how close it is to the <br>chest...<br><br></div><div> <br> </div><div> <br> </div><div><br><br><br>So the Heel of the Hand does not have to be at eye-level...it can be <br>at any level...but whenever you see it, you know the fingers are <br>projecting forward...so we assume it is at the neutral signing <br>space...the symbol is just showing fingers projecting
forward...<br><br><br></div><div><br><br><br><br>As Adam said, to really write that it is at eye level, you would need <br>to add the facial circle and show the eyes, so we know we are at eye <br>level...<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div></div><br></div></div><br>
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