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I did my homework before Val cleared up the topless issue the what was
confusing some of the participants. I wasn't confused but I didn't do
it the way Val expected me too either. <i><b>For the horizontal flat
hand I
put a line through the symbol to show that it was horizontal.</b></i> I
did
it this way because this is how I had seen it on the website about
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<font color="blue">Yes, i done it the same way for the flathand, as
seen on this older online-lesson (<a
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html</a>)<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid45AAD355.9010609@yahoo.ca" type="cite"> I left
the fist with the index finger
topless because I figured that if the fist was topless the fist with
index should also be topless. I didn't find it confusing, it just made
sense to me at the time. In retrospect I would've made the horizontal
flat hand topless too. That way I would of had everything topless. <i><b>I
think it is confusing having some horizontal symbols topless and others
not.</b></i></blockquote>
<font color="blue">Hmmm, maybe you're right. Must think about and see
if i can familiar with topless flathand :-)<br>
personally ... i think, that signwriting-handwriting will work the same
way with every person than handwriting words from a spoken language.
Ask ten (or even more) People to write by hand the same phrase in the
same language, shure you will always see a difference in these
handwriting, some will me good readable, others will only be readable
by the writer himself. Every writer has his own way to write, i think
so will signwriting-handwriting also be. For taking notes for your own
purposes, it's not nessesary that other people are able to read, but if
you will share signwriting-handwriting documents with other people it's
a good idea (as you already mentionned) to have a basic standard (in my
point of view, this standard will be close to signwriting-handprinting
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<blockquote cite="mid45AAD355.9010609@yahoo.ca" type="cite">I guess I
could put an extra line through all the symbols but
that is two lines longer to write that the topless method. It would be
nice to have some kind of a standard. If we do things one way for one
symbol and another for the same position on another symbol, it will get
quite confusing. But one thing I was wondering, <i><b>is it possible
for all
hand shapes to be drawn topless?</b></i>???????</blockquote>
<font color="blue">Good Question, i'm waiting for an answer too.</font><br>
<blockquote cite="mid45AAD355.9010609@yahoo.ca" type="cite">If not then
we aren't any
closer to having a standard for handwriting horizontal symbols.<br>
I also share Stuart's point of view about the gap not always being
noticeable. In fact, when I was trying to show Allan to draw the
horizontal handwriting index finger that Val had written and scanned
from the fixed up web page which I had printed out, he drew it without
a gap. I told him, "Your's isn't the same as the one on the page".
He looked at what he wrote and at the printed page and claimed that
they were the same. I told him to look again. He couldn't figure out
what I thought he was doing wrong. Then he looked at it really closely
and realized that there was a gap there and fixed his lesson.<br>
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<font color="blue">Hmmm, next Weekend i will show some
horizontal-index-finger-handforms to </font><font color="blue">Samuel,
</font><font color="blue">and ask him to write these down. I'm really
curious to see if he realize if there ia a gap ;-)<br>
But if the gap is the problem to read, what about Signwriting-Printing
where has always been a gap in horizontal handshapes?<br>
In sw-handwriting i try to make the gap </font><font color="blue">bigger
</font><font color="blue">as the one i see in sw-print.<br>
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Paul</font><br>
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Stuart Thiessen wrote:
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type="cite">I am wondering though if there would be a way to
distinguish the floor handshapes without the finger gap (at least where
it is individual fingers. In printing, I don't have a problem with the
gap because the computer takes care of writing the symbol. But, I think
that it is easier to miswrite the finger gap when handwriting. Just
thinking about when we are doing quick writing or notes in a class. it
seems to me that we would want to have the symbol be distinguishable
enough that we don't have to worry about the finger accidentally
looking connected or something. Just a thought. <br>
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Stuart <br>
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On Jan 8, 2007, at 22:22, Valerie Sutton wrote: <br>
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January 8, 2007 <br>
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Stuart Thiessen wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">I worked on it as well during my lunch
hour
today. I did have one question on page 5 of the PDF, and the second
sign down. For the index handshape there, I don't recall seeing that in
your list of handwriting shapes that you taught in this lesson. I
wondered if we should substitute a different sign or if you planned to
show that one but forgot. (I understand how that can happen.) <br>
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Hello Stuart! <br>
Thanks for this feedback. You are right. It should have been there in
that lesson. I didn't really forget, but because it was so late at
night, and I was so tired, I thought maybe it would be obvious that it
was the same as the Printing...so I left it out. Now I see it confused
lots of people so that was the wrong call... <br>
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So I will be posting this shortly...it is not on the web yet... but
here is an explanation... <br>
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