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Paul Hendriks wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">I did my homework before Val cleared up the
topless issue the what was confusing some of the participants. I
wasn't confused but I didn't do it the way Val expected me too either.
/*For the horizontal flat hand I put a line through the symbol to show
that it was horizontal.*/ I did it this way because this is how I had
seen it on the website about handwriting (not this course)
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Yes, i done it the same way for the flathand, as seen on this older
online-lesson (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html</a>)
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<blockquote type="cite"> I left the fist with the index finger
topless because I figured that if the fist was topless the fist with
index should also be topless. I didn't find it confusing, it just made
sense to me at the time. In retrospect I would've made the horizontal
flat hand topless too. That way I would of had everything topless.
/*I think it is confusing having some horizontal symbols topless and
others not.*/
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Hmmm, maybe you're right. Must think about and see if i can familiar
with topless flathand :-)
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personally ... i think, that signwriting-handwriting will work the same
way with every person than handwriting words from a spoken language.
Ask ten (or even more) People to write by hand the same phrase in the
same language, shure you will always see a difference in these
handwriting, some will me good readable, others will only be readable
by the writer himself. Every writer has his own way to write, i think
so will signwriting-handwriting also be. For taking notes for your own
purposes, it's not nessesary that other people are able to read, but if
you will share signwriting-handwriting documents with other people it's
a good idea (as you already mentionned) to have a basic standard (in my
point of view, this standard will be close to signwriting-handprinting
- as concerns exchanging documents).
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<blockquote type="cite">I guess I could put an extra line through all
the symbols but that is two lines longer to write that the topless
method. It would be nice to have some kind of a standard. If we do
things one way for one symbol and another for the same position on
another symbol, it will get quite confusing. But one thing I was
wondering, /*is it possible for all hand shapes to be drawn
topless?*/???????
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Good Question, i'm waiting for an answer too.
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<blockquote type="cite">If not then we aren't any closer to having a
standard for handwriting horizontal symbols.
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I also share Stuart's point of view about the gap not always being
noticeable. In fact, when I was trying to show Allan to draw the
horizontal handwriting index finger that Val had written and scanned
from the fixed up web page which I had printed out, he drew it without
a gap. I told him, "Your's isn't the same as the one on the page".
He looked at what he wrote and at the printed page and claimed that
they were the same. I told him to look again. He couldn't figure out
what I thought he was doing wrong. Then he looked at it really closely
and realized that there was a gap there and fixed his lesson.
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Hmmm, next Weekend i will show some horizontal-index-finger-handforms
to Samuel, and ask him to write these down. I'm really curious to see
if he realize if there ia a gap ;-)
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But if the gap is the problem to read, what about Signwriting-Printing
where has always been a gap in horizontal handshapes?
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It seems to be mostly a problem when the gap isn't big enough to be
noticed.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid45ABECDA.3000802@plh.lu" type="cite">In
sw-handwriting i try to make the gap bigger as the one i see in
sw-print.
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Stuart Thiessen wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">I am wondering though if there would be a
way to distinguish the floor handshapes without the finger gap (at
least where it is individual fingers. In printing, I don't have a
problem with the gap because the computer takes care of writing the
symbol. But, I think that it is easier to miswrite the finger gap when
handwriting. Just thinking about when we are doing quick writing or
notes in a class. it seems to me that we would want to have the symbol
be distinguishable enough that we don't have to worry about the finger
accidentally looking connected or something. Just a thought.
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On Jan 8, 2007, at 22:22, Valerie Sutton wrote:
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January 8, 2007
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Stuart Thiessen wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">I worked on it as well during my lunch
hour today. I did have one question on page 5 of the PDF, and the
second sign down. For the index handshape there, I don't recall seeing
that in your list of handwriting shapes that you taught in this lesson.
I wondered if we should substitute a different sign or if you planned
to show that one but forgot. (I understand how that can happen.)
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Hello Stuart!
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Thanks for this feedback. You are right. It should have been there in
that lesson. I didn't really forget, but because it was so late at
night, and I was so tired, I thought maybe it would be obvious that it
was the same as the Printing...so I left it out. Now I see it confused
lots of people so that was the wrong call...
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So I will be posting this shortly...it is not on the web yet... but
here is an explanation...
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