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Valerie Sutton wrote:
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type="cite">SignWriting List
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April 2, 2007
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Hello Anny and Steve and Adam!
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Thanks for the question, Anny, and a special thanks to Steve, for
programming this amazing new program that allows us to place our signs
in sequence, so we can sort dictionaries by the symbols of
SignWriting...
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And thanks, Adam, for explaining it so well...you did a good job
explaining a very hard subject...
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We are fortunate, because although we already had this ability in
SignBank, the process used to be very slow, but now with Steve's
wonderful new feature in SignPuddle 1.5, we can place the signs in the
proper SignSpelling Sequence much faster, and can then import the signs
quickly into SignBank, to print large dictionaries sorted by
Sign-Symbol-Sequence.
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The past month has been an amazing month, regarding the placing of
signs in sequence...
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Because of SignPuddle 1.5, I finally placed around 1,844 signs into
SignSpelling Sequence in SignPuddle 1.5. Right now, Anny, if you open
the ASL Dictionary in SignPuddle 1.5 on the web, you will find those
1,844 signs there...all with the SignSpellings listed beside each sign.
They are mixed up with other signs that have not been completed yet,
which means it may seem hard to find them, but you can see when a sign
has received its SignSpelling Sequence, because it will look something
like this, with the SignSpelling Sequence in grey to the right of the
sign:
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And you can learn how to place a sign into SignSpelling Sequence in
this video instruction:
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See Video 16 & Video 20 on this page:
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/help/SignPuddle15/">http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/help/SignPuddle15/</a>
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When you click on the button SignSpelling Sequence, you will see a list
of all the symbols that appear in the sign, but then you have to place
them into sequence so that the dictionary will be able to sort them
later, by sign-symbols...
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When dictionaries are sorted in spoken languages, like French or
English...there are two sequences involved...
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1. The words themselves have a Spelling Sequence...like in the English
word HOUSE...the Spelling Sequence of the word HOUSE is H O U S E.
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2. Once all the words have a Spelling Sequence established, then those
spelled-words are placed in the order of the English or French
alphabets...(called alphabetization)
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So there are actually two sequences involved when sorting any
dictionary:
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1. Spelling Sequence
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2. Symbol Sequence (alphabetization in English)
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In SignWriting it is the same. We have a:
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1. SignSpelling Sequence
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2. Sign-Symbol-Sequence (equivalent to alphabetization in English but
for sign-symbols)
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The Sign-Symbol-Sequence (SSS) is the IMWA. It is the sequence of the
symbols in the IMWA. That is already established and you do not have to
do anything about that...Steve has that programmed in SignPuddle 1.5,
and Todd has it programmed in SignBank.
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But the order of the symbols within one sign is called a SignSpelling,
and that has to be established by the writer of the sign right now.
SignSpellings will slowly, in time, become standardized, but right now
we are all deciding what SignSpelling is best, so we have this flexible
tool to do our best with SignSpellings. Once we establish the
SignSpelling for a sign, it will sort by SSS.
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There are still small issues I am resolving and I am now writing a new
book called "SignSpelling Guidelines 2007" which will explain what I
learned through this recent experience...
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But no matter what, the reason we can discuss this so fully now, is
because of the faster entry of the SignSpellings...so thanks once again
for this feature in the new SignPuddle 1.5!
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If you want to wait for me to post the new SignSpelling Guidelines 2007
book, that might be less overwhelming for you, but I can generally tell
you that we have learned that the following sequence seems to feel
right:
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1. dominant hand
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2. non-dominant hand
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3. movement dominant hand
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4. movement non-dominant hand
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5. movement dynamics
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6. movement timing
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7. head movement
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8. facial expressions (only if they are required for the meaning of the
sign)
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9. head location
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10. body location
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There are many details involved with this than just the list above, so
that is why a new book is needed to explain and show examples why...
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Hi Val,<br>
Looking forward to all of the explanations and examples!!!<br>
Keep up the good work!!<br>
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Jonathan<br>
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<p>That is coming!
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It is a new era now, because we all will be searching through large
dictionaries to find signs out of thousands of signs, sorted by
symbols, and that is a new experience to learn how to find those signs
easily and logically...
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And I look forward to sharing this with you later...
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Val ;-)
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On Apr 2, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi Anny,
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The SignSpelling Sequence is for sorting signs in a dictionary. There
is a 2004 document that needs to be updated. The 2007 version is under
construction.
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/SignSpelling/">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/SignSpelling/</a>
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For SignPuddle 1.5, the results on the Search by Signs page are sorted
using the SignSpelling Sequence, if available.
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The SignPuddle 1.5 export includes the SignSpelling Sequence data.
This data can be easily imported into SignBank. SignBank uses the
SignSpelling Sequence for printing dictionaries.
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-Steve
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Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
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could you explain to me what SignSpelling Sequence should be used for ?
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I've never used it and don't know how I should use it and what for
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thanks for your help
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Anny
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Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod
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ruelle des chambres chaudes 1
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1271 Givrins
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Tel ++41/22.362.52.37
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Fax ++41/22.362.52.66
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mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:acpg@vtxnet.ch">acpg@vtxnet.ch</a>
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