Hoi,<br>At this moment we can at OmegaWiki not really support SignWriting. I would welcome it when we have you experiment on OmegaWiki. Particularly all the Portal pages for sign languages and the Portal for SignWriter are fair game as they are for the people that speak that language.
<br><br>To be permitted to upload pictures you have to have a user account.. to get edit rights to the database, you have to have a Babel template. When you are at it .. experiment with the language in the User Preferences .. it will change the way an article like
<a href="http://www.omegawiki.org/Expression:SignWriting">http://www.omegawiki.org/Expression:SignWriting</a> is displayed. We are working on RtL support.. This means that when we have top down support English may have to go down to .. now should that mean that Arab has to go up ??
<br><br>Thanks,<br> GerardM<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Charles Butler</b> <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
We may want to have the graphics clipped for each of the sign languages we represent.<br><br>Here is the graphic for Sign Language in Brazilian Sign Language (Libras).<br><br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/dict/sl/lingua-de-sinnais-1.png" alt="lingua-de-sinnais-1" align="middle" border="0">
<img src="http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/dict/space_h.png" align="middle"><div><b>lingua-de-sinnais-1</b></div><div><br></div><span style="font-weight: bold;">And a few representative signs in that language.<br>
<br></span><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-03-001-01-05-01,114,58,01-03-001-01-05-09,82,57,02-03-003-01-01-01,113,19,02-03-003-01-02-05,77,19,"><div><b>conversando-em-sinais (conversation in sign language)
</b></div><div><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-01-007-01-02-15,109,33,01-01-007-01-02-11,92,36,02-03-001-01-03-05,103,54,"></div><div><b>amizade</b><br>close friend, bosom
buddy</div><div><span class="e" id="q_1123dc75b080cee8_1"><div><br></div><br><b><i>GerardM <<a href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
</a>></i></b> wrote:<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Hoi,<br>Thanks for your reply. I have taken the picture of American Sign Language uploaded it and added it to the portal of American Sign Language on OmegaWiki.
<br><br>I do agree that programs can be made to do anything, it just needs doing. I would love to see UNICODE for SignWriting. In the mean time we can work on getting programs like MediaWiki to accept SignWriting.. I think that would be awesome.
<br><br>Thanks,<br> GerardM<br><br><a href="http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:ase" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:ase</a><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 4/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Charles Butler</b> < <a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">One can write SW in a side to side fashion, but because it is movement, it is much more natural to read it up and down, and then left to right, much as Chinese newspapers. Often two words have a hand moving from one sign into the next (just like elision in French or Portuguese) so having a top down is easier. However, for bilingual translation, we have done texting in right to left in clusters, sort of like Korean, which is a script that creates blocks for each word which can be sounded out, but look to a non-Korean speaker, very similar to a Chinese character. Any spoken language could be written down the page,
<br><br>L<br>I<br>K<br>E<br><br>T<br>H<br>I<br>S<br><br>Surely, typography cannot be limited solely on layout. Computers are as versatile as we program them to be.<br><br><img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-05-011-01-04-10,87,99,01-09-026-01-03-01,103,115,02-05-001-01-01-08,127,101,">
<img src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=01-05-001-01-01-03,38,43,01-05-001-01-01-11,10,39,02-01-001-01-01-02,30,66,02-10-005-01-06-15,28,23,08-01-001-01-01-05,35,16,01-01-001-01-02-02,111,14,01-01-001-01-02-10,88,24,01-09-015-01-03-01,195,21,01-09-015-01-03-09,167,21,02-10-007-01-01-05,118,50,02-10-007-01-05-09,95,58,08-02-001-01-01-05,110,80,02-06-001-02-01-06,206,56,02-06-001-02-02-14,153,56,08-02-001-01-01-05,187,80,">
<b><br><br><br>WRITE AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE<br></b><br>This is one of those rare sentences that can be put in one-to-one correspondence to English. More often it is a multiple word translation.<br><span>
<br>Charles </span><div><span><br><br><br><b><i>GerardM <<a href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">gerard.meijssen@gmail.com </a>></i></b> wrote:
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Hoi,<br>I do appreciate this. When you look at <a href="http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:nld" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:nld</a> the portal for the Dutch language, you will find Babel templates going from Native to a level 1 in Dutch. <a href="http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:hye" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:hye</a> is for the Armenian language and, it is in the appropriate script. <br><br>For sign languages I cannot at present include the Babel text in SignWriting because of technical problems. It is for this
reason that I ask you to create a text in another language. You would write the Babel templates for "aen" or Armenian Sign Language in Armenian because that is most appropriate given that OmegaWiki (and MediaWiki) do not support SignWriting at this moment in time.
<br><br>Given that SignWriting is a top down written language, the question arises on how to include this in a Babel template that is currently very much horizontally oriented.<br><br>Thanks,<br> GerardM<br><br><div>
<span class="gmail_quote"> On 4/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Charles Butler</b> <<a href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> chazzer3332000@yahoo.com
</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Dear Gerard,<br><br>The point of SignWriting is that English and ASL, Dutch and Netherlands Sign
Language are not the same language. One cannot say that this sentence is written in sign language. The Roman alphabet writes spoken words, the SignWriting International Movement Writing Alphabet writes signs, different purposes. How do we get the Wiki to support our script.
<br><br>As well say that if you want to write English, write it in French because, after all, they are only 100 miles apart geographically.<br><br><b><i>GerardM <<a href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Hoi,<br>Om the OmegaWiki website, we have portals for all languages recognised in the ISO-639-3. The information we provide for any languages is minimal. What we are looking for is information that will be helpful for people who for whatever reason are
interested in a particular language. <br><br>The portal for American Sign language is <a href="http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:ase" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:ase
</a> , for British Sign Language <a href="http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:bfi" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:bfi </a>. We also have a portal for SignWriter at
<a href="http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:Sgnw" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:Sgnw</a><br><br>When you create yourself a user at OmegaWiki, please create yourself a Babel template. Sadly we do not support SignWriter yet as a script. You may want to add a text for your sign language in another language that is the most appropriate (ie a text in Dutch for the Dutch Sign Language).
<br><br>If you have any questions .. please ask
:)<br><br>Thanks,<br> GerardM<br> </blockquote><br></blockquote></div><br> </blockquote><br></span></div></blockquote></div><br> </blockquote><br></span></div></blockquote></div><br>