I don't really see a reason to complicate the symbols more that is needed right now. Maybe later if(!) they are really needed, they can be added. However, I think that it would only be for detailed writing like research and IPA-like writing.
<br><br>Adam<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/6/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Valerie Sutton</b> <<a href="mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org">email@example.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
SignWriting List<br>May 6, 2007<br><br>Hello Everyone!<br><br>And I hope Ingvild will help me explain this from the Norwegian Sign<br>Language perspective...<br><br>The detail of writing the differences in fist tensions from signer to
<br>signer...<br><br>In Denmark, and some other signed languages too, they do not seem to<br>differentiate between a Tight Fist or an Open Fist (Circle base for O<br>hand in ASL)...<br><br><br><br>In other words, in ASL there is a linguistic meaning difference
<br>between a tight fist with the Index finger up, and a D-hand...see below<br><br><br><br>But my memory is, that in Danish Sign Language, they do not care<br>whether it is tight or open...it all is the same to them...<br>
<br>How do we handle this issue? Which symbol should be used when writing<br>Danish Sign Language, if they don't differentiate?<br><br>I bring this up also because Kelly Jo mentioned earlier that there<br>are details of fist relaxation if we were to write a native ASL
<br>signer in their exact way of signing...which means we do not have<br>enough symbols to cover all the possible variations of relaxed fists<br>in the current symbolset...so that is the other extreme...that would<br>me we would have to include more symbols to show every variation of
<br>relaxation...which would then give the Danish signers a choice<br>somewhere in the middle between the square and the circle...these<br>detailed fist relaxation symbols can be placed in the ISWA, but it<br>would cause a lot more symbols to be added to the symbolset...
<br><br>So I was going to propose that we keep what we have, and just decide<br>on a choice of one or the other to mean a different thing, for the<br>Danish signers...for example, they could use the basic square base,<br>
and define it as not a Tight Fist, but the basic fist that is natural<br>to their language...<br><br>just like the letter A is pronounced differently in other<br>countries...we still write A the same and define its pronunciation
<br>differently from country to country...that would cut back on the<br>number of symbols needed...<br><br>These are the issues of standardization versus a phonetic writing<br>system...both are needed of course...<br><br>
Interesting topic!<br><br>What are all your thoughts?<br><br>Val ;-)<br><br></blockquote></div><br>