<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">I ahve seen 20-0-7, and 2-00-7 (the second one that Val sent with the 00 lower than the 2 and the 7, I wrote it) around here by our Deaf folks. I was taught that for years it would be 19-97 or 20-10. 2111 will be twenty one- eleven. The 200x years are non standard, but they only happen once a century... ::smile::<br><br>cherie<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Stuart Thiessen <sw@passitonservices.org><br>To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:13:20 PM<br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting<br><br><div>Hmm. I will have to double check on things. I have been signing
2-0-0- <br>x since the year 2000. Of course, once we hit 2010, I am sure I will <br>switch to "twenty" "ten". I never saw anyone do "twenty" "00" or <br>"twenty" "02". So I will have to investigate that. I wonder if there <br>is truly a rule yet, or if that is a dialectical difference. I will <br>check around here to confirm what we do here.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Stuart<br>On May 22, 2007, at 12:42, Adam Frost wrote:<br><br>> Right, that is how digit are done is English, but numbers are <br>> completely different in ASL. The best way to explain it is an ASL <br>> "digit" goes from 0 to 99, not 0 to 9 as in English. So I am using <br>> the computer clock to get the time and getting the two English <br>> digits for one ASL digit. Also, I only see deaf/Deafies sign the <br>> year as two thousand seven or twenty zero seven, respectively. <br>>
(Deafies are considered more ASL because they follow the ASL digit <br>> rule when rendering numbers). I never see anyone but hearies who <br>> will render numbers as single digits from 0-9. I guess it's a ASL/ <br>> Deaf brain thing. LOL.<br>> Adam<br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: "Bill Reese" <wreese01@TAMPABAY.RR.COM><br>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:29:13<br>> To:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting<br>><br>> Adam,<br>> I don't know of two signs "20" and "07." I'd be tempted to treat it <br>> like<br>> a decimal sequence, "2," "0," "0," and "7." I assume that you're <br>> tying<br>> into the computer's clock and calendar to keep track of the day, date<br>> and time. If so, presenting the decimal places of the years with the<br>> first 10 digits (0 - 9) would seem
to allow the greatest <br>> flexibility in<br>> displaying whatever time the user wanted - such as 1983, 2025, <br>> 2350, etc.<br>><br>> Bill<br>><br>><br>> Adam Frost wrote:<br>>> Feedback! I love it because it gets me thinging about things I <br>>> either never thought about or discarded as unimportant prematurly.<br>>> Charles, you mentioned about learning Thursday with an H. You are <br>>> right. At first, I was going to do the days of the week with their <br>>> ful signs, but Sunday took a lot of room. So, I went with the <br>>> first letter of the days of the week. I guess I could have done <br>>> "TH" for Thurday, but then something would have to be done with <br>>> Sunday and Saturday.<br>>> Which brings me to another issue that Val brought up. The Sunday <br>>> is colored not because
it is today, but because it is the first <br>>> day of the week. Kinda like how English calendars have Sunday as red.<br>>> And since I am talking about Val's comments. :-) I had written the <br>>> 16-19 as out-in rotations because that was how it felt to me when <br>>> I signed it, but when you asked if it should be out-in or out-out, <br>>> I thought about it and you are right. It should be out-out, so <br>>> your verson 3 is right.<br>>> And of course, Bill, I didn't forget you. I was thinking that the <br>>> year should be changed a little because it could get confusing, <br>>> but then I discarded that because I thought that thinking it would <br>>> be fine. You are right that it could be confused with the archaic <br>>> 27 (ASL archaic means that it hasn't been widely used in the
last <br>>> 50 years. Ha!). Would saying 20 07 like Val said be clearer? I <br>>> could easily do some changing around to fix that.<br>>> About the background picture, very cute idea. :-) Before I do <br>>> that, I would have to make the images used for SignWriting <br>>> transparent, so that the background doesn't look bad. Ha!<br>>> Again. Thanks for the feed back that you have given me. Now I can <br>>> make some improvements. :-) And if there are any other ideas, just <br>>> let me know.<br>>><br>>> Adam<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting@mac.com><br>>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:47:19<br>>> To:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting<br>>><br>>> SignWriting
List<br>>> May 22, 2007<br>>><br>>> Adam's calendar and time in ASL brings up a lot of interesting issues<br>>> about writing the days of the week, as Charles pointed out...related<br>>> to Thursday, and then Bill pointed out the writing of the year<br>>> 2007...I believe Adam meant 20 and then 7...smile...maybe an 07 would<br>>> make it clear ;-)<br>>><br>>> I am fascinated by the writing of 16, 17, 18, and 19...The rotation<br>>> symbol ...I wonder...maybe you mean out-out? then both arrows would<br>>> be going in the same direction...at the moment the rotation is even,<br>>> with no emphasis on the out...so it is rotating out and then in...I<br>>> experimented by placing a third and fourth entry for 16 in the ASL<br>>> Dictionary in SignPuddle...or maybe it is just general shaking...that<br>>> is another idea
;-))<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> But all those tiny details aside....this is a really fun and<br>>> fascinating idea...THANK YOU, Adam!<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br><br><br></div></div><br></div></div><br>
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