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I agree, I see the year signed the same way, as either two thousand
seven or twenty zero seven, but that doesn't seem to allow for an easy
tie-in to the computer's representation of the year. If you start out
with three signs, either "two" "thousand" and "seven" or "twenty"
"zero" and "seven", what do you do with the unnecessary sign place when
you get to 2010 and can sign "twenty" and "ten"? Or when you get to
2111 when it's "two" "thousand" "one" "hundred" "eleven"? It just
seems easier to throw in the towel on this one and represent it as
digits 0-9. <br>
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On the other hand, it's possible to program for any year in ASL, it
just needs that little bit of additional programming to make it happen
- perhaps building the sequence first then displaying it as one "sign"
in the calendar.<br>
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Bill<br>
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<pre wrap="">Right, that is how digit are done is English, but numbers are completely different in ASL. The best way to explain it is an ASL "digit" goes from 0 to 99, not 0 to 9 as in English. So I am using the computer clock to get the time and getting the two English digits for one ASL digit. Also, I only see deaf/Deafies sign the year as two thousand seven or twenty zero seven, respectively. (Deafies are considered more ASL because they follow the ASL digit rule when rendering numbers). I never see anyone but hearies who will render numbers as single digits from 0-9. I guess it's a ASL/Deaf brain thing. LOL.
Adam
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From: "Bill Reese" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wreese01@TAMPABAY.RR.COM"><wreese01@TAMPABAY.RR.COM></a>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:29:13
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Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
Adam,
I don't know of two signs "20" and "07." I'd be tempted to treat it like
a decimal sequence, "2," "0," "0," and "7." I assume that you're tying
into the computer's clock and calendar to keep track of the day, date
and time. If so, presenting the decimal places of the years with the
first 10 digits (0 - 9) would seem to allow the greatest flexibility in
displaying whatever time the user wanted - such as 1983, 2025, 2350, etc.
Bill
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<pre wrap="">Feedback! I love it because it gets me thinging about things I either never thought about or discarded as unimportant prematurly.
Charles, you mentioned about learning Thursday with an H. You are right. At first, I was going to do the days of the week with their ful signs, but Sunday took a lot of room. So, I went with the first letter of the days of the week. I guess I could have done "TH" for Thurday, but then something would have to be done with Sunday and Saturday.
Which brings me to another issue that Val brought up. The Sunday is colored not because it is today, but because it is the first day of the week. Kinda like how English calendars have Sunday as red.
And since I am talking about Val's comments. :-) I had written the 16-19 as out-in rotations because that was how it felt to me when I signed it, but when you asked if it should be out-in or out-out, I thought about it and you are right. It should be out-out, so your verson 3 is right.
And of course, Bill, I didn't forget you. I was thinking that the year should be changed a little because it could get confusing, but then I discarded that because I thought that thinking it would be fine. You are right that it could be confused with the archaic 27 (ASL archaic means that it hasn't been widely used in the last 50 years. Ha!). Would saying 20 07 like Val said be clearer? I could easily do some changing around to fix that.
About the background picture, very cute idea. :-) Before I do that, I would have to make the images used for SignWriting transparent, so that the background doesn't look bad. Ha!
Again. Thanks for the feed back that you have given me. Now I can make some improvements. :-) And if there are any other ideas, just let me know.
Adam
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From: "Valerie Sutton" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"><signwriting@mac.com></a>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:47:19
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Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
SignWriting List
May 22, 2007
Adam's calendar and time in ASL brings up a lot of interesting issues
about writing the days of the week, as Charles pointed out...related
to Thursday, and then Bill pointed out the writing of the year
2007...I believe Adam meant 20 and then 7...smile...maybe an 07 would
make it clear ;-)
I am fascinated by the writing of 16, 17, 18, and 19...The rotation
symbol ...I wonder...maybe you mean out-out? then both arrows would
be going in the same direction...at the moment the rotation is even,
with no emphasis on the out...so it is rotating out and then in...I
experimented by placing a third and fourth entry for 16 in the ASL
Dictionary in SignPuddle...or maybe it is just general shaking...that
is another idea ;-))
But all those tiny details aside....this is a really fun and
fascinating idea...THANK YOU, Adam!
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