<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">They are mine, They are tracings of photos of my hand. When I get the whole set, they will be free for anyone to use, I am making them for Wikipedia. I have the all of the alphabet, number handshapes, some classifier shapes, there are a few other shapes I still need to get. These are all ASL of course. I have them saved on a pdf, so I can use the photo capture feature and just get the one I need at the moment. I can try to send that to you if you want it. I couldn't send it to the list the other day, don't know why. Its 4.19 MB in size for the alphabet minus doubles like U/H, P/K, and G/Q. <br><br>cherie<br><br><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Ingvild Roald <ingvild.roald@STATPED.NO><br>To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>Cc: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu; Valerie Sutton <signwriting@MAC.COM><br>Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:46:45 AM<br>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Wiki article on SignWriting<br><br><title></title>
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<font style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="-0">Are these drawings free to use, or are they copyrighted by someone?<br>
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Ingvild<br>
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<b><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a> skrev 23. mai 2007 kl. 01:23 +0000:<br>
</b></font><span style="background-color: rgb(208, 208, 208);"><font style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="-0">It really helps if you attach the attachment... <br>
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For some reason (probably file size?) I couldn't get the pdf document to attach. Here is a sample from the larger document... I'm sending it to Val also, in case its too big for the list.<img alt="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/HP_ADM%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-5.jpg" title="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/HP_ADM%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-5.jpg" align="bottom" border="1" hspace="0" vspace="0"><br>
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From: Stuart Thiessen <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sw@passitonservices.org">sw@passitonservices.org</a>><br>
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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:54:42 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Wiki article on SignWriting<br>
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I think this is an excellent type of resource. I think it will help many people jump between the hand and the symbol. <br>
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My thoughts (perhaps common sense but worth mentioning maybe):<br>
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1) Make sure the palm facing and the handshape symbol are identical. I didn't have time this morning to really view all the handshapes to check this, but I was impressed by it. :)<br>
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2) I think line drawings are better because there is much less peripheral information to distract the viewer (jewelry, watches, clothes, scratches, fingernails, etc.) I do have a document I wrote up on how to use Gimp to do some very basic linedrawing work. It isn't perfect like an illustration, but if you give yourself a good background, it should work pretty well for this purpose. I could email that to you, Cherie, if you want.<br>
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On May 21, 2007, at 9:41, </font></span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:CWren@doe.k12.ga.us"><span style="background-color: rgb(208, 208, 208);"><font style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt;" face="Times New Roman" size="-0">CWren@doe.k12.ga.us</font></span></a><span style="background-color: rgb(208, 208, 208);"><font style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="-0"> wrote:<br>
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I have photos of all the manual alphabet handshapes, and some classifiers... Do you think line drawings would be easier, or photos?</font></span><span style="background-color: rgb(208, 208, 208);"><font style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="-0"> </font></span></div>
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</font></span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:CWren@doe.k12.ga.us"><span style="background-color: rgb(208, 208, 208);"><font style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 12pt;" face="Courier" size="-0">CWren@doe.k12.ga.us</font></span></a><span style="background-color: rgb(208, 208, 208);"><font style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" color="#000000" face="Courier" size="-0"> wrote:<br>
> This is the picture I was thinking of, but its using the stokoe <br>
> handshapes from this picture Which I still have no idea where it <br>
> came form. So although I think they would be great information for <br>
> the SW article, I have no way to determine the license for the <br>
> picture of Stokoe's handshapes.<br>
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This is a wonderful chart, Cherie!<br>
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I have never seen this before that I remember...but I like it!!<br>
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I can send you the illustrations that we own the copyrights to, and <br>
you could replace the illustrations one by one...If you have time to <br>
do that, tell me, and I will start sending them to you...I may not <br>
have all of them, but you could always take photos of your own hands <br>
too...I have some hand photos as well, of my nephew's hands...<br>
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Once the illustrations are replaced, then I hope when you post it, <br>
that you will give it the most open and free license <br>
possible...copyright free....I want everyone to use SignWriting, and <br>
diagrams related to it, freely with no restrictions...<br>
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I feel frustrated when people think a writing system would be <br>
restricted from use...nothing can be farther from the truth...<br>
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We can place this new chart on our SignWriting site as well as <br>
Wikipedia...I know it will be useful to people, as it was to you ....<br>
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Many thanks for all you are doing, Cherie...<br>
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Val ;-)<br>
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