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Hi Ingvild and Cherie,<br>
The tracings will be very useful for introducing SignWriting. Many
of my friends think that signs should be written. I am encouraging
them to use SignWriting. But many feel that it is complicated.
Unfortunately I can't spend enough time with them to teach them even
the basics. They use drawings as memory aids of how the sign is
signed. It's doesn't always have a direct link to the movement or hand
shape. These tracings will help the SignWriting cause.<br>
Another thing I would like to see is a manual for SignWriting
shorthand. I think that if they feel they can write easily and
identify with the handshape or movement better they might take on to
SignWriting better. It all being computerized they feel that they must
do everything picture perfect. I realize that the shorthand manual is
out of date but would it be possible for a copy of the previous writing
to be posted on the web? For reference to get the idea of how it works
and how it differs from regular SignWriting? Val?<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
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Ingvild Roald wrote:
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color="#000000" face="Arial" size="-0">Thanks a lot - such drawing and
illustrations are very helpful when introducing SignWriting to someone.<br>
<br>
Ingvild<br>
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<b><a href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</a> skrev
25. mai 2007 kl. 13:01 +0000:<br>
</b></font><span style="background-color: rgb(208, 208, 208);"><font
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="-0">They are mine, They
are tracings of photos of my hand. When I get the whole set, they will
be free for anyone to use, I am making them for Wikipedia. I have the
all of the alphabet, number handshapes, some classifier shapes, there
are a few other shapes I still need to get. These are all ASL of
course. I have them saved on a pdf, so I can use the photo capture
feature and just get the one I need at the moment. I can try to send
that to you if you want it. I couldn't send it to the list the other
day, don't know why. Its 4.19 MB in size for the alphabet minus
doubles like U/H, P/K, and G/Q. <br>
<br>
cherie<br>
<br>
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Valerie Sutton <<a href="mailto:signwriting@MAC.COM">signwriting@MAC.COM</a>><br>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:46:45 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Wiki article on SignWriting<br>
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style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
color="#000000" face="Arial" size="-0">Are these drawings free to use,
or are they copyrighted by someone?<br>
<br>
Ingvild<br>
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color="#000000" face="Arial" size="-0"><b> skrev 23. mai 2007 kl.
01:23 +0000:<br>
</b></font></span><span style="background-color: rgb(208, 208, 208);"><font
style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="-0">It really helps if
you attach the attachment... <br>
<br>
For some reason (probably file size?) I couldn't get the pdf document
to attach. Here is a sample from the larger document... I'm sending
it to Val also, in case its too big for the list.<br>
<br>
cherie<br>
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Subject: Re: [sw-l] Wiki article on SignWriting<br>
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I think this is an excellent type of resource. I think it will help
many people jump between the hand and the symbol. <br>
<br>
<br>
My thoughts (perhaps common sense but worth mentioning maybe):<br>
<br>
<br>
1) Make sure the palm facing and the handshape symbol are identical. I
didn't have time this morning to really view all the handshapes to
check this, but I was impressed by it. :)<br>
<br>
<br>
2) I think line drawings are better because there is much less
peripheral information to distract the viewer (jewelry, watches,
clothes, scratches, fingernails, etc.) I do have a document I wrote up
on how to use Gimp to do some very basic linedrawing work. It isn't
perfect like an illustration, but if you give yourself a good
background, it should work pretty well for this purpose. I could email
that to you, Cherie, if you want.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
<br>
Stuart<br>
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> This is the picture I was thinking of, but its using the stokoe <br>
> handshapes from this picture Which I still have no idea where
it <br>
> came form. So although I think they would be great information
for <br>
> the SW article, I have no way to determine the license for the <br>
> picture of Stokoe's handshapes.<br>
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This is a wonderful chart, Cherie!<br>
<br>
I have never seen this before that I remember...but I like it!!<br>
<br>
I can send you the illustrations that we own the copyrights to, and <br>
you could replace the illustrations one by one...If you have time to <br>
do that, tell me, and I will start sending them to you...I may not <br>
have all of them, but you could always take photos of your own hands <br>
too...I have some hand photos as well, of my nephew's hands...<br>
<br>
Once the illustrations are replaced, then I hope when you post it, <br>
that you will give it the most open and free license <br>
possible...copyright free....I want everyone to use SignWriting, and <br>
diagrams related to it, freely with no restrictions...<br>
<br>
I feel frustrated when people think a writing system would be <br>
restricted from use...nothing can be farther from the truth...<br>
<br>
We can place this new chart on our SignWriting site as well as <br>
Wikipedia...I know it will be useful to people, as it was to you ....<br>
<br>
Many thanks for all you are doing, Cherie...<br>
<br>
Val ;-)<br>
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