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Hi Adam,<br>
Ok the line represents does not the wrist but rather the pivot axis
in the wrist. This makes sense to me now. (The diagram Valerie posted
have helped as well)<br>
<br>
Thank you for clearing this up for me. Great to have you on the list!!!<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
Adam Frost wrote:
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type="cite">Yes, the line for the wrist flex be seen to represent the
wrist; very easy to see in signs like YES.<img alt=""
src="cid:part1.03000902.05010108@yahoo.ca" height="76" width="54">But
the wrist can not only bend back and forth, but side to side. (See
attached) This is where the line does not cut across the wrist as if to
disconnect the hand from the arm. That is because the line is not
representing the wrist, but the pivot axis in the wrist. So the sign
that was written for WOW <img alt=""
src="cid:part2.01090404.05020807@yahoo.ca" height="100" width="90"> is
not trying to show the palm change like this <img alt=""
src="cid:part3.08090506.09030904@yahoo.ca" height="50" width="197">
but what I have attached which is a wrist flex. Hope this helps. As
always, as if you have questions and we will try our best to help you
out. <br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/8/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jonathan</b>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca">duncanjonathan@yahoo.ca</a>>
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<b>Wrist Flexes</b><br>
<i>General rules<br>
</i>
<ol>
<li>The line going through the middle finger is anchored at the
middle of the wrist line (point of pivot) but describes an arc at the
end of the middle finger.</li>
<li>The line through the middle finger is not drawn on the wrist
flex
symbol but rather a line cutting the wrist over which the wrist bends. <br>
</li>
<li>Generally entails flexing the wrist. Sometimes a rotation of
the
wrist if it is already bent in regards to the arm.</li>
<li>If the wrist flex movement is in the same plane as the hand,
there is no change in palm facing if the beginning and ending hands are
written. If the wrist flex movement changes from one plane to the
other there is change in palm facing.</li>
<li>The beginning and ending lines through the middle finger are
NEVER parallel that is never along the same line. Both line ALWAYS
have a common point at the middle of the wrist.<br>
</li>
</ol>
<i>What is confusing about previous explanations</i><br>
<ol>
<li>What the line represents in the flex movement symbol. Before,
I
could never figure out which way to flop the hand. It seemed logical
to me at the time to try and flop the hand around the line. Which
sometimes made the sign nonsensical. Valerie wrote <u>"In Wrist
Flexes, the wrist is cut by a line, which is the axis...so<br>
the line does not represent the forearm...it is an imaginary line
cutting the wrist...I was wrong before..."</u> I believe this means
like cutting the wrist off the line separating the hand from the
forearm. Yes makes perfect sense for "Yes-Yes". But some signs just
don't make sense if this is the case. <br>
</li>
</ol>
For example: If Yes-Yes <img alt=""
src="cid:part1.03000902.05010108@yahoo.ca" height="76" width="54"> is
actually <img alt="" src="cid:part5.09060906.02060402@yahoo.ca"
height="43" width="68"> <br>
<br>
<br>
Then <img alt="" src="cid:part2.01090404.05020807@yahoo.ca"
height="100" width="90">where the wrist line is not anywhere close to
the wrist. <br>
<br>
<br>
Should be written with all the symbols as <img alt=""
src="cid:part3.08090506.09030904@yahoo.ca" height="50" width="197">
which wouldn't be a wrist flex at all but rather a rotation.<br>
<br>
It seems to me that it would make more sense if it was written as <img
alt="" src="cid:part8.07000205.00010109@yahoo.ca" height="100"
width="90"> But we don't have this a wrist flex symbol. At least I
don't think so.<br>
This is why it is so hard to define this line. It's mean one thing for
Yes-Yes sign but doesn't represent anything for the Wow sign except
that the symbol is a wrist flex.<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><br>
Special cases</b><br>
When there is a rotation and a wrist flex simultaneously.<br>
<img alt="" src="cid:part9.08000702.01010207@yahoo.ca" height="61"
width="71"> Could also be written <img alt=""
src="cid:part10.04080502.09080003@yahoo.ca" height="55" width="49">
but
is much harder to read than just writing the beginning and ending hands.<br>
<br>
<br>
Looking forward to all of your comments.<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
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