<div>Since "wrist-bobs" are most normally up and down, I tend to do them all with double-lines.</div> <div> </div> <div>I think he misread the nose line as a head from above. I meant to show the "p" hand on the nose bobbing to the left.</div> <div> </div> <div>Charles</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann@gebaerdenschrift.de></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </STYLE> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE>
<STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.E-MailFormatvorlage20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:595.3pt 841.9pt; margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Charles, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">can you show to me the „top view line“ or are you talking about the symbol showing two shoulders left and right to the head – indicating the head seen from top down? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just curious about terms and definitions of symbols <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stefan ;-) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway I guess you want to describe the hand palm facing the signer but not palm up – is that correct? Do you always prefer the double stemmed arrow – even for left and right movements --? I prefer the single stemmed arrow in this case<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Von:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN></B>Charles Butler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Dienstag, 23. Oktober 2007 04:35<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">SignWriting List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Re: [sw-l] SignWriting game from France...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This isn't top view. This is the NOSE line, not the top view line. The hand faces the nose and then twists on the wrist a quarter turn.<BR><BR>Charles<BR><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Adam Frost <adam@frostvillage.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Shouldn't this be front view rather than top view?<BR><BR>Adam<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 10/22/07, <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Charles Butler</SPAN></B> <<A href="mailto:chazzer3332000@yahoo.com">chazzer3332000@yahoo.com </A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><o:p></o:p></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">He may need "pee" and "shit". The French language (and I have noticed, Portuguese, are much less body shy than English. ASL has signs for both and uses them freely. I noticed in Brazilian grammar schools that showing cartoons for hygiene was much less prudish than American English. "Toilet" doesn't cover all the shades of meaning he needs. "Nao urine do chao" :(don't pee on the floor) was in almost all of the college and high school restrooms. <BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable cellPadding=0 border=1> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 3.75pt"> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG id=_x0000_i1025 height=59
src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/image.php?build=03-05-001-01-01-01,89,25,01-03-019-01-04-01,133,28,02-01-001-01-01-01,109,37,02-03-001-04-01-03,139,67," width=74 border=0><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">pee</SPAN></FONT></B><BR>piss, urinate<o:p></o:p></div></DIV></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 3.75pt"> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">to urinate, expel urine.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 3.75pt"> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable cellPadding=0 border=1> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 3.75pt"> <div class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"
align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG id=_x0000_i1026 height=21 src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=01-03-019-01-04-01&color=999999&size=.7" width=21 border=0><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 3.75pt"> <div class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG id=_x0000_i1027 height=24 src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=03-05-001-01-01-01&color=999999&size=.7" width=25 border=0><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 3.75pt"> <div class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG id=_x0000_i1028 height=7
src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=02-01-001-01-01-01&color=999999&size=.7" width=7 border=0><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 3.75pt"> <div class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><IMG id=_x0000_i1029 height=11 src="http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/symbol.php?sss=02-03-001-04-01-03&color=999999&size=.7" width=12 border=0><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Source: Charles Butler <BR>Modified: October 22, 2007 15:50</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><SPAN class=sg>Charles Butler</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV><SPAN id=q_115c9ec322839433_2> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><BR><SPAN class=e><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Valerie Sutton <<A href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" target=_blank> signwriting@mac.com</A>></SPAN></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">SignWriting List</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><BR>October 22, 2007<BR><BR>Hello everyone -<BR>As you know I live in San Diego, and San Diego has wild fires right <BR>now. My home is safe at the moment, but I do have some friends <BR>staying with us who had to evacuate their home...we are watching TV <BR>to see if their home will burn or
not...it is an incredible <BR>experience which is a repeat of the Cedar fires back in 2003...when <BR>we went through something similar...<BR><BR>Since I work out of my home, I am thinking through what hard drives <BR>to take with me if we have to evacuate too...but I doubt that will be <BR>necessary...The air is thick with smoke and raining ashes...<BR><BR>Anyway, thank you, Yaelle, for your message below...<BR><BR>Again, I need to ask you...what do you mean by English signwritings? <BR>British Sign Language, or Australian Sign Language, or American Sign <BR>Language?...all are different signed languages located in English- <BR>speaking countries...<BR><BR>If you mean American Sign Language, then look under TOILET in the ASL <BR>SignPuddle...that might be the sign you are looking for...or BATHROOM <BR>maybe...<BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Yaëlle wrote:<BR><BR>> Yes Val, thank you for your indications<BR>><BR>> I found most of the
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