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<body class='hmmessage'><div style="text-align: left;">Hi again Val!<br></div><br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">> From: dac@signwriting.org<br>> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:16:30 -0700<br>> To: sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> Subject: [sw-l] Birthday Party Page 4<br>> <br>> SignWriting List<br>> November 2, 2007<br>> <br>> On Nov 2, 2007, at 12:06 PM, K.J. Boal wrote:<br>> > SignSpelling rules say that if you only write one hand position, it <br>> > should be the end position . . . I think I've broken that rule with <br>> > my new spelling. What can I say? The sign is not an exact mime of <br>> > the movement.<br>> <br>> Hello Kelly Jo, Stefan, Adam and everyone -<br>> <br>> Actually, Kelly Jo, it is important that we clear this up. The <br>> SignSpelling Rules for Finger Movement Symbols do say that the second <br>> position is always written (like the sign for Milk writes the closing <br>> position with the fingers squeezing and so forth)<br><br>Oh, that's right - I keep forgetting that rule specifically refers to finger movements!<br> <br>> And it is also true that if a sign finishes in contact, then the <br>> second Position of Contact is always written, but if there is a <br>> Position of Contact in the beginning of the sign, and not at the end, <br>> then the first position is always written, because the Position of <br>> Contact is always written.<br><br>That I actually did remember; I just didn't think it was relevant in this<br>case because I actually don't sign "ice cream" with any kind of contact.<br> <br>> In the sign for ICE CREAM, the Position of Contact is the beginning <br>> position, because we are brushing the chin...so this sign needs to be <br>> written parallel to the wall plane...<br><br>Well, we're coming close to the chin . . . like I say, I don't actually make<br>contact . . .<br> <br>> and I am of course not an expert in ASL at all...so please know that <br>> I not saying I know this sign very well, but I thought it just <br>> brushed down twice remaining parallel to the wall plane at the end as <br>> well...but maybe that is my misunderstanding of ASL...<br><br>Locking your wrist in that position is awkward . . . for me, the movement comes<br>from the wrist, not the whole arm. Because the movement is from the wrist,<br>the arm twists and the hand ends up in a different orientation . . . at least<br>it does the way I sign it . . .<br> <br>> no matter what, the beginning position has to be written in this case <br>> because it is the Position of Contact...<br><br>Good point there!<br> <br>> I have realized for some time that I need to write all of these <br>> Spelling Rules in an updated guidelines and have not gotten to it yet <br>> so I am sorry about that!<br>> <br>> Val ;-)<br><br>That's okay, we're muddling along as it is! ;-) I think these discussions<br>come about mostly because of the slight variations in the way we produce<br>(or think we produce) the signs, and that leads to variations in the way we <br>write them.<br><br>Bye for now,<br>KJ<br> <br /><hr />Have fun while connecting on Messenger! <a href='http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger' target='_new'>Click here to learn more.</a></body>
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