<div><EM>Val wrote: Just a thought...but it is not a big deal to me...just as long as we <BR>are writing signed languages, the terminology in the hearing world is <BR>not very important.</EM></div> <div> </div> <div>Hey Val, and others,</div> <div> </div> <div>Would that we could convince the hearing linguistic world that "<EM>sign language literature</EM>" is not sign language vocabulary clusters, such as "narratives", "medical descriptions", "legal discourses", etc. The use of "literature" to mean something that is NOT"written down" really belies the term. </div> <div> </div> <div>The more we have REAL literature in Sign Languages, the less that the Sign Language linguistics department can continue to misuse the term.<BR><BR>Charles Butler<BR><BR><BR><B><I>Valerie Sutton <signwriting@mac.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">SignWriting List<BR>November 30, 2007<BR><BR>Wow...this is amazing, Steve. Thank you for your hard work, and for <BR>this message explaining it!<BR><BR>2008 will be an exciting year...<BR><BR>I just have two Ethiopian handshapes to add, and then I will have the <BR>handshapes for the ISWA ready...then I need to work on the arrows and <BR>circles...people want choices of larger arrows and circles ;-)<BR><BR>So the ISWA work is going well, so we can release it in 2008...<BR><BR>Regarding terminology...I think we need to follow the Unicode <BR>terminology...as you can see on this web page, the term "character" <BR>is what Everson uses instead of the term "letter", and I am guessing, <BR>but I believe their term "symbol" stands for symbols for punctuation <BR>and other symbols needed to write with, but the symbols are not an <BR>alphabetic character....<BR><BR>Universal Character Set (UCS)<BR>International Standard ISO/IEC 10646-1 and computer industry
<BR>implementation Unicode<BR>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/unicode/unicod00.html<BR><BR>And trying to follow that terminology will become complex for <BR>SignWriting, because in other writing systems a character does not <BR>flop and rotate...so I thought we could call our BaseSymbols (around <BR>500 basic symbols) "characters" or "letters" and the flops and <BR>rotations could be called "symbols"....<BR><BR>Just a thought...but it is not a big deal to me...just as long as we <BR>are writing signed languages, the terminology in the hearing world is <BR>not very important<BR><BR>I am going back to working on the handshapes!<BR><BR>Have a great day everyone -<BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR>----------<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Nov 30, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:<BR><BR>> Hi list,<BR>><BR>> There's been renewed interest in Unicode lately. I think the main <BR>> reason to use Unicode is to reduce size.<BR>> I have a proposal for Binary
SignWriting that will integrate with <BR>> Unicode. The specifics may change, but the basic idea offers a lot <BR>> of promise. http://signpuddle.net/index.php?id=Binary%20SignWriting<BR>> This will be an open standard that will work with SignText and <BR>> replace the other markups and formats.<BR>> As an example, consider the following section from "The Cat in the <BR>> Hat" by Cherie Wren.<BR>> http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=5&sid=130<BR>> This has 164 letters (or symbols) from the SignWriting alphabet; <BR>> has 28 words (or signs) and is displayed using 7 image columns.<BR>> Here's the size breakdown:<BR>> Image Columns: 23 k<BR>> SWML: 10k<BR>> Binary SW: 0.64k<BR>> This is a tremendous saving. Binary SW has a nice hex <BR>> representation and it can be used in files, online, and databases. <BR>> Binary SW integrates well with either font files or the current <BR>> image files. It's
compatible with Unicode and the current <BR>> SignText. It can use style sheets for presentation.<BR>> There will be several types of SignText plugins: client (FireFox <BR>> plugin), server (PHP and Ajax), and application (python, visual <BR>> basic, ...). All will use Binary SW with the new ISWA. I'll be <BR>> releasing the plugins as open source under the GPL on <BR>> SourceForge.net. If you want to participate in the coding, send me <BR>> an email discussing your interest. 2008 is going to be a fun year.<BR>> The specifications will be appearing on my site http:// <BR>> www.signpuddle.net as open standards and proposals. I'd welcome <BR>> any comments, feedback or alternative ideas.<BR>> Regards,<BR>> -Steve<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>>
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