<div>So, I type the sentence in approximate ASL Gloss so that it comes out in the right word order.</div> <div> </div> <div>CAT CHAIR SIT ON.</div> <div> </div> <div>I don't depend on the translation program doing the job for me. It is a word-for-word translation program, not an idiomatic translation program. I have a number of objects that can appear in one order in ASL and another in English. So I have to do a little work and think in ASL before I try to translate. I'd do the same in Portuguese, French, or Spanish. It's the same process. </div> <div> </div> <div>Example: C'est la vie. Translated to be "such is life". C'est is "SUCH IS" la vie is LIFE. It's not word for word, but concept for concept.</div> <div> </div> <div>Charles Butler</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>Gagnon et Thibeault <atg@videotron.ca></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi Stuart and everyone,<BR><BR>I agree with you 100%. For example, I type an English sentence : A cat <BR>sits on a chair. I click on Translate button. I read a SignWriting <BR>sentence : CAT SIT ON CHAIR. This ASL sentence is agrammatical. For the <BR>ASL sentence, CHAIR CAT CL-V : SIT-ON-CHAIR. An English ssentence is <BR>diffrent from the ASL sentence.<BR><BR>Hand waving<BR><BR>André<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Stuart Thiessen" <SW@PASSITONSERVICES.ORG><BR>To: "SignWriting List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:34 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Re: Sign Writting<BR><BR><BR>>I think it is important to clarify that Translate does not actually <BR>>translate anything. It just provides a word-for-word substitution between <BR>>the spoken language word and the sign language sign. This causes me to <BR>>wonder if it might be better not to call that function "Translate"? People
<BR>>who are not aware of this distinction might think that using the translate <BR>>feature actually translates between spoken languages and sign languages.<BR>><BR>> I'm not sure what a better replacement would be. I will think on that.<BR>><BR>> Stuart<BR>><BR>> On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:19 , Valerie Sutton wrote:<BR>><BR>>>> I hope you can help me.<BR>>>> I am looking for a translator that I can type an<BR>>>> english sentence and have it provide the signwritting<BR>>>> translation with words under each sign.<BR>>>><BR>>>> any suggestions<BR>>><BR>>> --------<BR>>><BR>>> Yes of course.<BR>>><BR>>> Go to:<BR>>><BR>>> SignPuddle Online<BR>>> http://www.SignBank.org/signpuddle<BR>>><BR>>> Click on the flag of the country sign language you want to use...<BR>>><BR>>> One caution...only some countries have large
dictionaries to translate <BR>>> from, so if you choose some countries with nothing in their dictionaries <BR>>> yet, that would not help you much!<BR>>><BR>>> So if you choose the US or Flanders or French-Swiss or Germany for <BR>>> example, then you have something to translate from...<BR>>><BR>>> Once the dictionary for your country is open, click on the Translate <BR>>> Button on the side of the screen...<BR>>><BR>>> Type the words you want to translate and push the Translate Button...<BR>>><BR>>> but you are not done yet...<BR>>><BR>>> scroll down and choose the variations of possible signs for each <BR>>> word...there are many signs that can mean the same word, as with all <BR>>> languages...so if you know sign language you can choose the best signs <BR>>> for the words you are trying to translate...<BR>>><BR>>> Then press the Update button and your
sentence will be written in <BR>>> SignWriting...<BR>>><BR>>> There is also video instruction if you wish to watch how to do this:<BR>>><BR>>> Go to:<BR>>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/help/SignPuddle15VideoUS/<BR>>><BR>>> and click on Video 12<BR>>><BR>>> Val ;-)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ____________________________________________<BR>>><BR>>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>>><BR>>> Post Message<BR>>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>>><BR>>> List Archives and Help<BR>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>>><BR>>> Change Email Settings<BR>>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List
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