<div>If the example of the lesson in ASL is the model given for advertisingI would have to agree with Cherie Wren. It's not ASL, it's English words with signs. It may be some variant on SEE, but it is not ASL.</div> <div> </div> <div>His sound byte talks about repeating a sign until you get it right, but that does not "repeat a phrase" until you get it right.</div> <div> </div> <div>"I visited five cities last summer" would not be "FIVE CITY SUMMER LAST TOUCH FINISH THEN TOUCH FINISH" or some variant on that. </div> <div> </div> <div>We have a rare opportunity here to do what I desperately wanted to see done at last year's conference in Florianapolis, explain grammar in Sign Writing with Sign Writing examples as the chief explanation. I saw more than 200 posters that tried, in words, to explain concept clusters in Sign Languages when Sign Writing would have eliminated half the words and enabled conclusions much faster and
definitive conclusions at that.</div> <div> </div> <div>One could say, for example, talk about narratives and compare them for particular grammatical features, one could then eliminate what doesn't seem to be a viable explanation for some grammatical feature, or one could show how, for example, the tilting of a hat eventually evolved into the common sign for MAN in ASL. </div> <div> </div> <div>Comparing all the "FINISH" verbal endings would be much more simple, and even be useful for SEE-based English sign order processes. </div> <div> </div> <div>Charles Butler</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Charles <BR><BR><B><I>Cherie Wren <CWren@doe.k12.ga.us></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR><TT><FONT size=2>"I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that <BR>started advertizing through Google ads on our
SignWriting home page..."<BR></FONT></TT><BR><TT><FONT size=2>Its not ASL, if the video of Jake talking about his course is any indication. He is signing straight English word order.. Of course, you can write signed English in SW, I just have objections to it being marketed as an ASL course...</FONT></TT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>---------------------------------<BR>Cherie Wren<BR>GSD Science Teacher<BR>232 Perry Farm Rd<BR>Cave Spring, GA 30124<BR>706-777-2328<BR></FONT><BR><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="40%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>sw-l-request@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</B> </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Sent by: sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</FONT> <div><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>12/12/2007 02:05 PM</FONT> <TABLE border=1> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD bgColor=white> <DIV align=center><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Please respond
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<signwriting@mac.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42 -0800 -----</FONT> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width="14%"> <DIV align=right><FONT size=3><B>To:</B></FONT></DIV> <TD width="85%"><FONT size=3>"SignWriting List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu></FONT> <TR> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT size=3><B>Subject:</B></FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT size=3>[sw-l] Curious for your opinion...</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><TT><FONT size=2>SignWriting List<BR>December 12, 2007<BR><BR>I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that <BR>started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR><BR>http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php<BR><BR>Have you ever seen this new course?<BR><BR>We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR><BR>Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR></FONT></TT><FONT face=sans-serif color=#800080 size=2><BR>----- Message from
GerardM <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:00:22 +0100 -----</FONT> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width="14%"> <DIV align=right><FONT size=3><B>To:</B></FONT></DIV> <TD width="85%"><FONT size=3>"SignWriting List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu></FONT> <TR> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT size=3><B>Subject:</B></FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT size=3>Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><FONT size=3>Hoi,<BR>They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his opinion about SignWriting ... :) <BR>Thanks,<BR> Gerard<BR></FONT><BR><FONT size=3>On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <</FONT><A href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com"><FONT color=blue size=3><U>signwriting@mac.com</U></FONT></A><FONT
size=3>> wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>SignWriting List<BR>December 12, 2007<BR><BR>I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR></FONT><FONT color=blue size=3><U><BR></U></FONT><A href="http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php" target=_blank><FONT color=blue size=3><U>http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3><BR><BR>Have you ever seen this new course?<BR><BR>We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR><BR>Do you think that would be a good idea? <BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________<BR><BR>SW-L SignWriting List<BR><BR>Post Message</FONT><FONT color=blue size=3><U><BR></U></FONT><A href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu"><FONT color=blue size=3><U>SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3><BR><BR>List
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Curious for your opinion...</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><FONT size=3>Maybe not.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>Because he says that it is difficult to read the pictures and drawings because they are bad.<BR>In case of SignWriting it is different, you can read the sign very well, but first you have to learn it.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3><BR></FONT><BR><FONT size=3>On Dec 12, 2007 4:00 PM, GerardM <</FONT><A href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com"><FONT color=blue size=3><U>gerard.meijssen@gmail.com</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3>> wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>Hoi,<BR>They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his opinion about SignWriting ... :) <BR>Thanks,<BR> Gerard </FONT><BR><FONT size=3><BR></FONT><BR><FONT size=3>On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton
<</FONT><A href="mailto:signwriting@mac.com" target=_blank><FONT color=blue size=3><U>signwriting@mac.com</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3>> wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>SignWriting List<BR>December 12, 2007<BR><BR>I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that <BR>started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR></FONT><FONT color=blue size=3><U><BR></U></FONT><A href="http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php" target=_blank><FONT color=blue size=3><U>http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php </U></FONT></A><FONT size=3><BR><BR>Have you ever seen this new course?<BR><BR>We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR><BR>Do you think that would be a good idea? <BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________ <BR><BR>SW-L SignWriting List<BR><BR>Post Message</FONT><FONT color=blue size=3><U><BR></U></FONT><A
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<TD><FONT size=3>Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><TT><FONT size=2>SignWriting List<BR>December 12, 2007<BR><BR>Gerard -<BR>It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting! <BR>Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, then his <BR>opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it yet...but <BR>when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have <BR>importance...<BR><BR>I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!<BR><BR>My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is good <BR>ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, then it <BR>will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which <BR>will then be an added help to Jake's students...<BR><BR>People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a way to <BR>write their language yet, and this would be a good way to
collaborate <BR>with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that <BR>there is a way to write the language now...<BR><BR>But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether <BR>this course would be a good one to work with...<BR><BR>There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we could <BR>contact any one f them and ask permission to write those courses in <BR>SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...<BR><BR>So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and should we <BR>contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?<BR><BR>All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are surprised, <BR>but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against <BR>it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not know it...<BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR>----------<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:<BR><BR>> Hoi,<BR>> They advertise
that they do not have weird and wonderful <BR>> drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now <BR>> obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does <BR>> not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his <BR>> opinion about SignWriting ... :)<BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Gerard<BR>><BR>> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting@mac.com> wrote:<BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> December 12, 2007<BR>><BR>> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR>><BR>> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php<BR>><BR>> Have you ever seen this new course?<BR>><BR>> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR>><BR>> Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR>><BR>> Val
;-)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>><BR>> Change Email Settings<BR>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>><BR>> Change Email Settings<BR>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR><BR><BR></FONT></TT><FONT face=sans-serif color=#800080 size=2><BR>----- Message from Adam Frost <icemandeaf@gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:11:29 +0000 -----</FONT> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD
width="16%"> <DIV align=right><FONT size=3><B>To:</B></FONT></DIV> <TD width="83%"><FONT size=3>"SW List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu></FONT> <TR> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT size=3><B>Subject:</B></FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT size=3>Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><TT><FONT size=2>I was just looking at the address. I live right by where they are based. Might be something to look into. ;)<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting@mac.com><BR><BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42 <BR>To:"SignWriting List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><BR>Subject: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<BR><BR><BR>SignWriting List<BR>December 12, 2007<BR><BR>I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that <BR>started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR><BR>http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php<BR><BR>Have you
ever seen this new course?<BR><BR>We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR><BR>Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________<BR><BR>SW-L SignWriting List<BR><BR>Post Message<BR>SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><BR>List Archives and Help<BR>http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR><BR>Change Email Settings<BR>http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT></TT><FONT face=sans-serif color=#800080 size=2><BR>----- Message from Adam Frost <icemandeaf@gmail.com> on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:15:25 +0000 -----</FONT> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width="16%"> <DIV align=right><FONT size=3><B>To:</B></FONT></DIV> <TD width="83%"><FONT size=3>"SW List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu></FONT> <TR> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT size=3><B>Subject:</B></FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT size=3>Re: [sw-l] Curious for your
opinion...</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><TT><FONT size=2>I haven't had a chance to look at the videos because I am at work at the moment. <BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting@mac.com><BR><BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:10:47 <BR>To:"SignWriting List" <sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><BR>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<BR><BR><BR>SignWriting List<BR>December 12, 2007<BR><BR>Gerard -<BR>It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting! <BR>Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, then his <BR>opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it yet...but <BR>when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have <BR>importance...<BR><BR>I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!<BR><BR>My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is good <BR>ASL, and is a helpful course to people without
SignWriting, then it <BR>will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which <BR>will then be an added help to Jake's students...<BR><BR>People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a way to <BR>write their language yet, and this would be a good way to collaborate <BR>with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that <BR>there is a way to write the language now...<BR><BR>But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether <BR>this course would be a good one to work with...<BR><BR>There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we could <BR>contact any one f them and ask permission to write those courses in <BR>SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...<BR><BR>So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and should we <BR>contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?<BR><BR>All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are
surprised, <BR>but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against <BR>it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not know it...<BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR>----------<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:<BR><BR>> Hoi,<BR>> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful <BR>> drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now <BR>> obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does <BR>> not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his <BR>> opinion about SignWriting ... :)<BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Gerard<BR>><BR>> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting@mac.com> wrote:<BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> December 12, 2007<BR>><BR>> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home
page...<BR>><BR>> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php<BR>><BR>> Have you ever seen this new course?<BR>><BR>> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR>><BR>> Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR>><BR>> Val ;-)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>><BR>> Change Email Settings<BR>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>><BR>>
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