<div>ABC (A Basic Course in Manual Communication). It's been a standard around Gallaudet for years to walk through English and ASL grammar through the process of learning particular signs and their placement.</div> <div> </div> <div>Charles Butler</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>Valerie Sutton <signwriting@mac.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">SignWriting List<BR>December 12, 2007<BR><BR>Hi Cherie -<BR>Thanks for this information. This is what we needed to know ;-)<BR><BR>I guess they are individual signs in a dictionary....using American <BR>signs that exist in ASL...but maybe he is not trying to teach grammar...<BR><BR>If you were to choose a course in American Sign Language to write in <BR>SignWriting, which one would you choose?<BR><BR>Val ;-)<BR><BR>---------<BR><BR><BR>On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Cherie Wren wrote:<BR><BR>><BR>> "I am curious what all of
you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home <BR>> page..."<BR>><BR>> Its not ASL, if the video of Jake talking about his course is any <BR>> indication. He is signing straight English word order.. Of <BR>> course, you can write signed English in SW, I just have objections <BR>> to it being marketed as an ASL course...<BR>><BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>> Cherie Wren<BR>> GSD Science Teacher<BR>> 232 Perry Farm Rd<BR>> Cave Spring, GA 30124<BR>> 706-777-2328<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> sw-l-request@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> Sent by: sw-l-bounces@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> 12/12/2007 02:05 PM<BR>> Please respond to<BR>> sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> To<BR>> sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> cc<BR>> Subject<BR>> SW-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Send SW-L mailing list
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<SIGNWRITING@MAC.COM>on Wed, <BR>> 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42 -0800 -----<BR>> To:<BR>> "SignWriting List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>> Subject:<BR>> [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<BR>><BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> December 12, 2007<BR>><BR>> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR>><BR>> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php<BR>><BR>> Have you ever seen this new course?<BR>><BR>> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR>><BR>> Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR>><BR>> Val ;-)<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Message from GerardM <GERARD.MEIJSSEN@GMAIL.COM>on Wed, 12 <BR>> Dec 2007 20:00:22 +0100 -----<BR>> To:<BR>> "SignWriting List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>> Subject:<BR>> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your
opinion...<BR>><BR>> Hoi,<BR>> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful <BR>> drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now <BR>> obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does <BR>> not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his <BR>> opinion about SignWriting ... :)<BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Gerard<BR>><BR>> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <SIGNWRITING@MAC.COM>wrote:<BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> December 12, 2007<BR>><BR>> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR>><BR>> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php<BR>><BR>> Have you ever seen this new course?<BR>><BR>> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR>><BR>> Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR>><BR>> Val
;-)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>><BR>> Change Email Settings<BR>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Message from "Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni" <RODBAGNI@GMAIL.COM>on <BR>> Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:08:51 -0300 -----<BR>> To:<BR>> "SignWriting List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>> Subject:<BR>> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<BR>><BR>> Maybe not.<BR>> Because he says that it is difficult to read the pictures and <BR>> drawings because they are bad.<BR>> In case of SignWriting it is different, you can read the sign very <BR>> well, but first you have to learn it.<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Dec 12, 2007 4:00 PM, GerardM
<GERARD.MEIJSSEN@GMAIL.COM>wrote:<BR>> Hoi,<BR>> They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful <BR>> drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now <BR>> obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does <BR>> not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his <BR>> opinion about SignWriting ... :)<BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Gerard<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <SIGNWRITING@MAC.COM>wrote:<BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> December 12, 2007<BR>><BR>> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>> started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR>><BR>> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php<BR>><BR>> Have you ever seen this new course?<BR>><BR>> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR>><BR>> Do you think that would be a good
idea?<BR>><BR>> Val ;-)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>><BR>> Change Email Settings<BR>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>><BR>> Change Email Settings<BR>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -- <BR>> Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni<BR>> ----- Message from "Valerie Sutton" <SIGNWRITING@MAC.COM>on Wed, <BR>> 12 Dec 2007 11:10:47 -0800 -----<BR>>
To:<BR>> "SignWriting List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>> Subject:<BR>> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<BR>><BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> December 12, 2007<BR>><BR>> Gerard -<BR>> It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting!<BR>> Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, then his<BR>> opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it yet...but<BR>> when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have<BR>> importance...<BR>><BR>> I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!<BR>><BR>> My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is good<BR>> ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, then it<BR>> will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which<BR>> will then be an added help to Jake's students...<BR>><BR>> People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a way to<BR>>
write their language yet, and this would be a good way to collaborate<BR>> with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that<BR>> there is a way to write the language now...<BR>><BR>> But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether<BR>> this course would be a good one to work with...<BR>><BR>> There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we could<BR>> contact any one f them and ask permission to write those courses in<BR>> SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...<BR>><BR>> So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and should we<BR>> contact Jake about adding some SignWriting?<BR>><BR>> All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are surprised,<BR>> but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against<BR>> it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not know <BR>> it...<BR>><BR>> Val ;-)<BR>><BR>>
----------<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Hoi,<BR>> > They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful<BR>> > drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now<BR>> > obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does<BR>> > not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his<BR>> > opinion about SignWriting ... :)<BR>> > Thanks,<BR>> > Gerard<BR>> ><BR>> > On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <SIGNWRITING@MAC.COM>wrote:<BR>> > SignWriting List<BR>> > December 12, 2007<BR>> ><BR>> > I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>> > started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home <BR>> page...<BR>> ><BR>> > http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/ <BR>> specialoffer.php<BR>> ><BR>> > Have you
ever seen this new course?<BR>> ><BR>> > We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR>> ><BR>> > Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR>> ><BR>> > Val ;-)<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ____________________________________________<BR>> ><BR>> > SW-L SignWriting List<BR>> ><BR>> > Post Message<BR>> > SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> ><BR>> > List Archives and Help<BR>> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>> ><BR>> > Change Email Settings<BR>> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ____________________________________________<BR>> ><BR>> > SW-L SignWriting List<BR>> ><BR>> > Post Message<BR>> > SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> ><BR>> > List Archives and Help<BR>> >
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>> ><BR>> > Change Email Settings<BR>> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Message from Adam Frost <ICEMANDEAF@GMAIL.COM>on Wed, 12 Dec <BR>> 2007 19:11:29 +0000 -----<BR>> To:<BR>> "SW List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>> Subject:<BR>> Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<BR>><BR>> I was just looking at the address. I live right by where they are <BR>> based. Might be something to look into. ;)<BR>><BR>> Adam<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <SIGNWRITING@MAC.COM><BR>><BR>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:38:42<BR>> To:"SignWriting List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>> Subject: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<BR>><BR>><BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> December 12, 2007<BR>><BR>> I am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>>
started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home page...<BR>><BR>> http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/specialoffer.php<BR>><BR>> Have you ever seen this new course?<BR>><BR>> We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR>><BR>> Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR>><BR>> Val ;-)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________________________________________<BR>><BR>> SW-L SignWriting List<BR>><BR>> Post Message<BR>> SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>><BR>> List Archives and Help<BR>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>><BR>> Change Email Settings<BR>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Message from Adam Frost <ICEMANDEAF@GMAIL.COM>on Wed, 12 Dec <BR>> 2007 19:15:25 +0000 -----<BR>> To:<BR>> "SW List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>> Subject:<BR>> Re: [sw-l]
Curious for your opinion...<BR>><BR>> I haven't had a chance to look at the videos because I am at work <BR>> at the moment.<BR>><BR>> Adam<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <SIGNWRITING@MAC.COM><BR>><BR>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:10:47<BR>> To:"SignWriting List" <SW-L@MAJORDOMO.VALENCIACC.EDU><BR>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Curious for your opinion...<BR>><BR>><BR>> SignWriting List<BR>> December 12, 2007<BR>><BR>> Gerard -<BR>> It doesn't matter what Jake's opinion is about SignWriting!<BR>> Obviously, if he has never heard of it, or does not know it, then his<BR>> opinion can only be that of a person who does not know it yet...but<BR>> when he learns SignWriting later...then his opinion will have<BR>> importance...<BR>><BR>> I have never met Jake, but I look forward to meeting him soon!<BR>><BR>> My question is to the ASL users...if the course Jake teaches is
good<BR>> ASL, and is a helpful course to people without SignWriting, then it<BR>> will be a wonderful tool for us to write it in SignWriting, which<BR>> will then be an added help to Jake's students...<BR>><BR>> People in the Sign Language worlds do not realize there is a way to<BR>> write their language yet, and this would be a good way to collaborate<BR>> with Jake, with his permission of course, to spread the idea that<BR>> there is a way to write the language now...<BR>><BR>> But first I want the opinion of the ASL signwriters as to whether<BR>> this course would be a good one to work with...<BR>><BR>> There are several courses in ASL that only use video, and we could<BR>> contact any one f them and ask permission to write those courses in<BR>> SignWriting, giving an added support for ASL students...<BR>><BR>> So I am just curious about opinions on the ASL course and should we<BR>> contact Jake about adding some
SignWriting?<BR>><BR>> All people, when they first hear about SignWriting, are surprised,<BR>> but once they learn it I have never met a person who is against<BR>> it...the only people who are against it, are those who do not know <BR>> it...<BR>><BR>> Val ;-)<BR>><BR>> ----------<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:00 AM, GerardM wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Hoi,<BR>> > They advertise that they do not have weird and wonderful<BR>> > drawings ... and that you as a student do not need them :) Now<BR>> > obviously, SignWriting is writing ASL but I am sure that Jake does<BR>> > not know about SignWriting and if he does I am interested in his<BR>> > opinion about SignWriting ... :)<BR>> > Thanks,<BR>> > Gerard<BR>> ><BR>> > On Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM, Valerie Sutton <SIGNWRITING@MAC.COM>wrote:<BR>> > SignWriting List<BR>> > December 12, 2007<BR>> ><BR>> > I
am curious what all of you think of this new ASL course, that<BR>> > started advertizing through Google ads on our SignWriting home <BR>> page...<BR>> ><BR>> > http://www.rocketlanguages.com/sign-language/premium/ <BR>> specialoffer.php<BR>> ><BR>> > Have you ever seen this new course?<BR>> ><BR>> > We could write to them to ask permission to write it in SignWriting.<BR>> ><BR>> > Do you think that would be a good idea?<BR>> ><BR>> > Val ;-)<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ____________________________________________<BR>> ><BR>> > SW-L SignWriting List<BR>> ><BR>> > Post Message<BR>> > SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>> ><BR>> > List Archives and Help<BR>> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/<BR>> ><BR>> > Change Email Settings<BR>> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l<BR>> ><BR>>
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